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Adolescence - aibu to think this is more a story about bullying?

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Apricotfuzz · 05/04/2025 19:24

Aibu to think Andrew Tate has nothing to do with it, I don't understand the emphasis on this strange moral panic. Isn't the bullying behaviour the real trigger? Why are we talking about Tate rather than our out of control kids who behave atrociously

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zoemum2006 · 05/04/2025 20:20

I've recently read the 'Anxious Generation' and it's about how we over-protect in the real world and under-protect on-line. It's creating a huge mental health crisis in young people.

Adolesence is about the dangers of social media. It's a wake up call for parents to be more aware.

5128gap · 05/04/2025 20:21

Apricotfuzz · 05/04/2025 20:13

The reason boys are vulnerable to it are surely because its broadly in accord with their lived experience? They tap into something that is truly felt

So you believe that teen boys hold misogynist views already and Tate and the incels are attractive because they affirm them? That's a very disturbing thought and not one I'm ready to accept, precisely because that would be demonising boys.

CaramelGhost · 05/04/2025 20:28

I think you missed the point OP.
He was being bullied. By boys. But he didn't feel the need to attack them.
He did feel the need to target a girl who he felt was "weak" and not "his type" just because her nudes had been leaked. He couldn't handle the fact a girl who was "weak", could or would reject him, and not just reject him, but totally saw through the fact he was only asking her out because her nudes had been leaked and therefore saw him for the misogynist he was. She called him out on it a couple of times on Instagram. That alone led him to acquiring a knife, following her and murdering her.

The people that were bullying him and his friends, were not the target of Jamie's anger.

He spent his free time insulting women on Instagram, yet called Katie a "bullying bitch".

Of course it is about misogyny

Spirallingdownwards · 05/04/2025 21:55

Apricotfuzz · 05/04/2025 20:05

Perhaps we watched different shows. I was hoping you could describe the scenes and plot details that make this this clear - because it seemed obvious to me that retaliation for bullying was the prime trigger

Watch episode 3 again and listen to it properly.

LennyBalls · 05/04/2025 22:05

No I don’t think it is a story about bullying. There is no excuse for what he did. However, I was annoyed that the girl was portrayed as a lovely girl when clearly she was a bully and actually not very lovely.

HisBoxers · 05/04/2025 22:06

LennyBalls · 05/04/2025 22:05

No I don’t think it is a story about bullying. There is no excuse for what he did. However, I was annoyed that the girl was portrayed as a lovely girl when clearly she was a bully and actually not very lovely.

Wait the girl was a bully??

HappiestSleeping · 05/04/2025 22:15

@Apricotfuzz I didn't get a lot of the messaging in Adolescence either. I know who Andrew Tate is via the media, but I do not know every statement he has made. Consequently, I don't think the makers of the programme explained enough about how that sort of input influenced Jamie. Since it was targeted at parents who are probably as ignorant about this stuff as I am, I think more could have been done here. The most telling for me was the episode with the psychiatrist, but the explanation of where the anger towards women came from wasn't detailed well enough in my humble opinion.

CranfordScones · 05/04/2025 22:18

Bizarrely, we now have an ad hoc style of policymaking based around which cabinet members have watched a subscription tv show - a programme which seemed to focus largely on the perpetrator (of a very rare type of crime) with very little attention to the victim.

It's a media-driven moral panic. It will blow over...

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