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Help - Son issued with court summons for non payment of train fare - wrong person and wrong address

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Jesuswasacapricorn · 05/04/2025 05:44

Awake and worried about potential repercussions of this. I'll try and explain it as simply as I can without giving info - all names have been changed to protect the innocent 😀

  1. Joe Bloggs - address in the North - date of birth 01.01.2003
  2. Joe Bloggs - address in the South - date of birth 01.01.2006

Son (Joe Bloggs 1) gets a court summons at his home address for non payment of a train fare by Reading Courts, travelling on GWR in January. He's never travelled on that train and was at uni in an exam at the time it was issued. The first covering page of the summons has his name and our address in the north.

On the actual court summons itself it has the name of Joe Bloggs 2, address in the south and date of birth as 01.01.2005 and also 01.01. 2006.

I am concerned about where they have got my address from and if it will affect a/ my son's credit rating and b/ his job prospects - he has just got a job today to work in finance.

I'm awake fretting that this will affect his ability to get a mortgage and they'll search him and see this against him. What the hell do we do to sort out this?

We've emailed the revenue person at the train company that's on the summons and son has called the revenue protection where he now has to prove it wasn't him - the guy on the phone called him dude - that's another rage in itself. He has the evidence of being in his final exam.

I'm absolutely fuming that they've broken GDPR by messing up all this information and caused stress when its nothing to do with him. And the original Joe Bloggs won't get his summons.

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JohnofWessex · 06/04/2025 19:13

This is the point where I have to 'Out' myself for a very very nasty habit

Generally the place to go for advice on rail related prosecution etc is

https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prosecutions.152/

for more technical advice

Disputes & Prosecutions

Seek help here on penalty fares, fines, complaints, and other post-travel ticketing issues.

https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prosecutions.152

Laura95167 · 06/04/2025 19:27

Jesuswasacapricorn · 05/04/2025 05:44

Awake and worried about potential repercussions of this. I'll try and explain it as simply as I can without giving info - all names have been changed to protect the innocent 😀

  1. Joe Bloggs - address in the North - date of birth 01.01.2003
  2. Joe Bloggs - address in the South - date of birth 01.01.2006

Son (Joe Bloggs 1) gets a court summons at his home address for non payment of a train fare by Reading Courts, travelling on GWR in January. He's never travelled on that train and was at uni in an exam at the time it was issued. The first covering page of the summons has his name and our address in the north.

On the actual court summons itself it has the name of Joe Bloggs 2, address in the south and date of birth as 01.01.2005 and also 01.01. 2006.

I am concerned about where they have got my address from and if it will affect a/ my son's credit rating and b/ his job prospects - he has just got a job today to work in finance.

I'm awake fretting that this will affect his ability to get a mortgage and they'll search him and see this against him. What the hell do we do to sort out this?

We've emailed the revenue person at the train company that's on the summons and son has called the revenue protection where he now has to prove it wasn't him - the guy on the phone called him dude - that's another rage in itself. He has the evidence of being in his final exam.

I'm absolutely fuming that they've broken GDPR by messing up all this information and caused stress when its nothing to do with him. And the original Joe Bloggs won't get his summons.

This happened to me, someone skipped a train and gave my name and a false number so somehow they found me and sent a fine.

I just phoned and said on such and such a date you said I skipped the train but I didn't, I wasn't on the train. Check cctv if needs be it isn't me, I was (at work probably) elsewhere, I don't live on that line I wasn't there.

And they said OK wrote back to me saying not to worry about it. It'll be fine, summons doesn't relate to him.

Bjorkdidit · 06/04/2025 19:28

Jesuswasacapricorn · 05/04/2025 12:14

I don't know how clear I need to be.

My son has not travelled on the train, on that service, on that date. He was in an exam in a different part of the country.

So he needs to write to whoever issued the summons and tell them that, along with him not being the person they are looking for.

All the other stuff about solicitors and checking credit records is massively overreacting. GWR will not pay your legal bills over this.

cakeorwine · 06/04/2025 19:54

GiveDogBone · 06/04/2025 19:03

Exactly, it doesn’t criminalise mistakes. Do you seriously think that all data that everybody holds on somebody else is accurate? Or this is the first mistake the train company has made?

The language “reasonable steps” which is very common in legal and regulatory frameworks is not a high bar to pass. It certainly doesn’t criminalise incompetence otherwise half the country would be in prison or fined :)

But you would agree that under GDPR, once a company has been made aware of a data mistake with someone's personal data , then they have a duty to ensure that they correct it.

GiveDogBone · 06/04/2025 20:33

cakeorwine · 06/04/2025 19:54

But you would agree that under GDPR, once a company has been made aware of a data mistake with someone's personal data , then they have a duty to ensure that they correct it.

Absolutely. But they don’t have to take somebody’s word for it, they are perfectly entitled to ask for proof to an appropriate standard. Think of the problem of cloned plates on cars, and other similar mistakes.

(And they also are certainly not under any obligation not to call somebody “dude”, per OP)

pollymere · 06/04/2025 20:47

We have quite an unusual name and had this happen. Luckily the middle name was different. I would write to the Company Recorded/registered and telephone the Court. Explain you are not the person on the summons but a person with a similar name. Point out the difference in DOB and your son has proof he couldn't have been on that train. They will hopefully sort it and get extremely angry with the Company doing the summons.

PetuniaT · 06/04/2025 21:25

Call IRCAS. This happens all the time when ticketless travelers give other made up addresses. It happened to my husband a few years ago and he worked on the railway as a station manager! getting free travel.

sidebirds · 06/04/2025 22:53

Jesuswasacapricorn · 05/04/2025 05:44

Awake and worried about potential repercussions of this. I'll try and explain it as simply as I can without giving info - all names have been changed to protect the innocent 😀

  1. Joe Bloggs - address in the North - date of birth 01.01.2003
  2. Joe Bloggs - address in the South - date of birth 01.01.2006

Son (Joe Bloggs 1) gets a court summons at his home address for non payment of a train fare by Reading Courts, travelling on GWR in January. He's never travelled on that train and was at uni in an exam at the time it was issued. The first covering page of the summons has his name and our address in the north.

On the actual court summons itself it has the name of Joe Bloggs 2, address in the south and date of birth as 01.01.2005 and also 01.01. 2006.

I am concerned about where they have got my address from and if it will affect a/ my son's credit rating and b/ his job prospects - he has just got a job today to work in finance.

I'm awake fretting that this will affect his ability to get a mortgage and they'll search him and see this against him. What the hell do we do to sort out this?

We've emailed the revenue person at the train company that's on the summons and son has called the revenue protection where he now has to prove it wasn't him - the guy on the phone called him dude - that's another rage in itself. He has the evidence of being in his final exam.

I'm absolutely fuming that they've broken GDPR by messing up all this information and caused stress when its nothing to do with him. And the original Joe Bloggs won't get his summons.

surely the 'revenue protection' person should be in the dock themselves for the "dude" offence? 🤔 i am barely joking 🤯

Hermyknee · 06/04/2025 23:03

It’s definitely not a scam is it before you send of photocopy’s of IDs etc?

schloss · 06/04/2025 23:07

@Jesuswasacapricorn As @JohnofWessex has stated the place to post your issue is Railforums - they will advise exactly what you should do.

Jonismorf · 06/04/2025 23:30

I don't know if this has been mentioned on this thread, but if GWR have sent you a letter containing someone else's details, they may have breached the Data Protection Act and could find themselves in serious trouble. Mention this to your solicitor.

Jesuswasacapricorn · 06/04/2025 23:50

Hermyknee · 06/04/2025 23:03

It’s definitely not a scam is it before you send of photocopy’s of IDs etc?

They've gone to a lot of effort if it's a scam. I've got details of the convo with revenue protection guy. It's got a few pages to the document and the franking machine post mark is of the revenue office address.

The call handler talking to my son seemed extremely unprofessional though so who knows.

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