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To think traditional English food is overrated?

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ThatJoyousCyanReader · 01/04/2025 20:50

I’ve always heard people say English food is bland or uncreative, and to be honest, I kind of see their point. Apart from a good roast dinner or fish and chips, what actually stands out? AIBU to think that other cuisines just do it better?

OP posts:
Alllll · 02/04/2025 13:28

Chicken tikka masala is delicious.

RampantIvy · 02/04/2025 13:30

AubernFable · 02/04/2025 13:22

Just my experience of food from the UK and Ireland: I can cook, I just don’t cook food from those (my) cultures because nobody would eat it, as we’re used to Asian, Middle Eastern, and Caribbean flavours etc.

I have eaten homemade and homegrown food here, but I haven’t been into pubs, so not really. It’s not like it’s all bad, but food is not something I’d miss if I never went back home.

I love vegetables and flavourful salads too, and that’s part of my issue with local food- boiled and steamed, unseasoned carrots, potatoes, and the like aren’t for me.

Do you not have much experience with other cultures and their cuisine?
Are you a seasoning dodger?
Can you really not see that a lot folks from the UK still eat like there are rations in place despite being well off?

I love vegetables and flavourful salads too, and that’s part of my issue with local food- boiled and steamed, unseasoned carrots, potatoes, and the like aren’t for me.

I don't cook like that, and no, I'm not a seasoning dodger. I don't think that there is any cuisine that I have tried that I didn't like.

I have a whole cupboard full of regularly used herbs and spices. I go to a lot of food festivals and continental markets. I regularly cook Asian and Mediterranean dishes.

We avoid holidaying in "Brits abroad" type places as we like to immerse ourselves in the local culture, eat local food and drink local wines.

I like food that has lots of flavour and am very defensive of the blanket statement that all British food is beige mush because it isn't.

Badly cooked food is badly cooked food wherever you are in the world.

KnittedFerret · 02/04/2025 13:38

I love vegetables and flavourful salads too
Me too
, and that’s part of my issue with local food- boiled and steamed, unseasoned carrots, potatoes, and the like aren’t for me.
I prefer them unseasoned and not buggered about with.

Alllll · 02/04/2025 13:43

AubernFable · 02/04/2025 13:22

Just my experience of food from the UK and Ireland: I can cook, I just don’t cook food from those (my) cultures because nobody would eat it, as we’re used to Asian, Middle Eastern, and Caribbean flavours etc.

I have eaten homemade and homegrown food here, but I haven’t been into pubs, so not really. It’s not like it’s all bad, but food is not something I’d miss if I never went back home.

I love vegetables and flavourful salads too, and that’s part of my issue with local food- boiled and steamed, unseasoned carrots, potatoes, and the like aren’t for me.

Do you not have much experience with other cultures and their cuisine?
Are you a seasoning dodger?
Can you really not see that a lot folks from the UK still eat like there are rations in place despite being well off?

Where are earth are you eating that’s serving boiled, unseasoned vegetables?

Maybe once, at a bad cook’s house, you’ve been unlucky. But why would you go back?

Frowningprovidence · 02/04/2025 13:57

I'd forgotten all about boiled veg from school dinners.

I've been trying to find out why all the veg was boiled. It seems to be a mix of boiling was different in victorian times (tougher veg, much less water, lower heat) coal fires, and fats rationing from the war.
It also sounds most veg was eaten in soupy/stews rather than a boiled sidem

It looks like victoriana food had dyes added to it to make it bright!

ShakeNvacStevens · 02/04/2025 13:59

I can't watch Adam Richman Eats Britain without drooling...quality ingredients cooked well are delicious in any cuisine.

RampantIvy · 02/04/2025 14:24

ShakeNvacStevens · 02/04/2025 13:59

I can't watch Adam Richman Eats Britain without drooling...quality ingredients cooked well are delicious in any cuisine.

There have been loads of cookery shows where TV cooks have toured the length and breadth of Britain making British dishes from local ingredients. The Hairy Bikers being one of many recent examples of this. Also, The Two Fat Ladies, Rick Stein and Mary Berry among others.

I didn't spot any boiled beige food. Do the boiled beige food posters live in a cave?

KnittedFerret · 02/04/2025 14:30

Alllll · 02/04/2025 13:43

Where are earth are you eating that’s serving boiled, unseasoned vegetables?

Maybe once, at a bad cook’s house, you’ve been unlucky. But why would you go back?

My house, daily.

RedToothBrush · 02/04/2025 14:31

Frowningprovidence · 02/04/2025 13:57

I'd forgotten all about boiled veg from school dinners.

I've been trying to find out why all the veg was boiled. It seems to be a mix of boiling was different in victorian times (tougher veg, much less water, lower heat) coal fires, and fats rationing from the war.
It also sounds most veg was eaten in soupy/stews rather than a boiled sidem

It looks like victoriana food had dyes added to it to make it bright!

How many of you have eaten chicken cooked on a wood fire? I mean genuinely. Just wrapped up and put in coals with herbs and maybe lemon?

Remember wealthy Victorians grew lemons in greenhouses in the UK from the 1840s. They were not purely just imported if had the means to grow them here.

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RampantIvy · 02/04/2025 15:16

KnittedFerret · 02/04/2025 14:30

My house, daily.

I'm assuming your parent was a shit cook?

Lalaghja · 02/04/2025 15:19

It’d definitely not overrated, it’s already got such a bad reputation, how can it be overrated?
I would say it’s massively underrated!

ohdrearydrearyme · 02/04/2025 15:48

Notateacheranymore · 01/04/2025 21:30

The other important factor is that, because of the climate in this country, before the advent of technology such as artificial refrigeration, we didn’t need to use spices to hide the unpleasantness of food that has degraded in a hot, humid environment. So, the flavours that we have are of the actual foodstuffs - the meat, the potatoes, the vegetables, and these all have very mild flavour profiles. Compared to the vibrant herbs and spices typically used in Southern Europe and Middle and East Asia, I understand the perception of “blandness”. It takes as much getting used to adopting those cuisines that we have taken to our hearts in this country.

Sorry, but I can't let this one stand uncontested ...

First of all, this is not a pop at you. This claim appears time and time again, but is completely wrong, and I find it fascinating. I'm writing this in the hope that others might find it fascinating too.

I've lived for extended periods in different places round the world, have a background in history, and a great interest in food.

It is a myth that spices were/are used to hide the unpleasantness of degraded food in a hot humid climate.
The places that use spices in abundance do so for a variety of reasons, among them:

  • they grow locally and are readily and cheaply available, or:
  • they don't grow locally, and are/were a prestige item that allowed one to flaunt one's wealth, and/or:
  • people believed or still believe that certain foods have "heating" or "cooling" properties and use spices to help balance this out. This goes all the way back to ancient Greek medical theories (google humoral medicine if you're interested), was a widespread belief throughout Europe for centuries and did influenceEuropean eating habits, and is still a common belief in the daily eating and cooking practices of large chunks of the world (India and China among others, although which foods to thought be heating and cooling are not always consistent from one country to the next).

In India, for example, people routinely do things like soak whole mangoes in water before eating them to "reduce their heatiness".
In China I have been scolded by random strangers for eating peanuts or toast (both allegedly "heating") when it looked to them that I had a cold (actually nose streaming in reaction to pollution...).
What I'm getting at is that the average person routinely believes all this stuff and chooses and seasons their food accordingly, often by using spices.

In countries where it is hot and humid, food is not given a chance to degrade, or the "degrading" is done in a controlled manner.
I lived in China back before pretty much anyone had a fridge at home (and those who had one didn't really trust it or really use it) and there were no supermarkets. Fish and chicken were bought at the market immediately before using, and they killed the animal for you if you didn't want to take it home and do it yourself. A lot of meats and fish were preserved by being dried, either bought that way already or people did it themselves, hanging them outside during the colder months.
In India, heat and humidity are/were used to "degrade" food in a controlled manner. The milk bought in the morning couldn't be preserved due to lack of refrigeration, but you boiled it, scooped the cream off the top and used it directly in cooking or turned it into ghee, which does not go rancid at room temperature. The remaining milk is turned into yoghurt, using room temperature heat to complete the process, or its turned into sweets or, in Rajasthan, soured deliberately in the sun to make a popular drink, etc.

In the south, where it is even more hot and humid, the weather is used to help making a huge variety of fermented dishes that are pretty much everyday food, such as dosas, idlis and so on.

In none of these places are spices needed to cover up the taste of rancid or degraded food.

Spices were highly prestigious and used liberally in European cooking in the past, including that of the UK. They were extremely expensive and pretty much the preserve of the extremely wealthy, who were using them in their food to impress and definitely not in a financial position where they needed to hide the taste of degraded or rancid food.

The cost of and demand for spices was so high, including in the UK, that there was huge European competition to gain access to the places where they were grown. However, once access had been gained, colonies had been claimed, and spices came down in price and were thus more obtainable to those who were not the super rich , their prestige value declined and "high society" started to shun their use, with the middle class following suit. There were other reasons as well for the decline in popularity of spices in Europe, including, among others, the influence of Calvinism and a distrust of spices as something that would "inflame the passions.)
The decline in the use of spices even occurred among UK colonists living in India during the Raj. At the beginning they ate food spiced in the Indian manner, but the popularity of spicing fell at the same time as its popularity declined back in the UK (although obviously there were exceptions and food was often still more spiced than "back home". )

This move away from spices did not happen in the same way in other parts of the world, which is why, for example, Morocco still cooks with a lot of spices whereas Spain now cooks with a lot less than it used to.

On a final note, the earlier more extensive use of spices in European cooking still remains apparent in their liberal use in festive food, which tends to change much more slowly than everyday food.
All the cinnamon, ginger, etc. in Christmas foods such as Christmas cake, gingerbread, Stollen, Pfeffernüsse, etc. etc. serve as a sort of cultural legacy pointing at their past use and former prestige.

Finally, more on topic:
Perhaps slightly controversial, but as a non UK person who lived there several years and also lived for several years in Japan, I always found it strange the extent to which Japanese food is praised when it truly has a quite limited range of flavors and ingredients. Which is not surprising, as traditionally the country wss very poor and most foods were scarce. But people rave in appreciation about Japanese food.
And at the same time they slate English food for having a quite limited range of flavors and ingredients....

Florsilvestredelcampo · 02/04/2025 16:20

I never understand why people go crazy for Eton Mess. It's not a recipe, it's a chef suddenly realising they've nothing to serve for dessert except broken meringue, cream and raspberries.

Florsilvestredelcampo · 02/04/2025 16:23

Give me Australian crunch and mint custard any day maybe the big advantage of state education!

springbringshope · 02/04/2025 16:26

AdaColeman · 01/04/2025 22:56

I don't think of it as being bland.

I enjoy things like English asparagus, Craster kippers, Kentish strawberries, Cumberland sausage, Bury black pudding, Stilton and Wensleydale cheese, English apple varieties such a Bramley and Russets.
I like a lot of the traditional cakes and puddings too.

I think English cuisine suffered a lot during the war rationing, plus that rationing was continued for so long after the war ended. It meant that a whole generation never learned to cook with plentiful good quality ingredients.

Also, England was one of the first countries to industrialise, with vast numbers of the population abandoning farming for a life in the town. This meant that not only were traditional culinary skills and recipes lost, but people needed food that was easy and quick to cook and cheap to buy.
That attitude to food has remained, which partly explains why Asian and Mexican are so popular today.
France and Italy industrialised more slowly than England, so the population held on to their regional culinary traditions much better than in England.

Britain was not out there in its own during and after the war with regards lack of quality and quantity of good food. All of Europe struggled.

JHound · 02/04/2025 16:46

I don’t know anybody who overrates British food. Normally they slate it. I love food from all over the globe and that includes good pub fare and English puddings (like what we had at school.)

I also LOVE a sunday roast or the simple pleasure of a jack potato.

Making a sunday roast from scratch is probably something I would like to learn to do from scratch!

I actually don’t think I have come across a country where I think their entire cuisine is terrible. It just depends on my mood as to what I want to eat.

Notateacheranymore · 02/04/2025 16:49

Well @ohdrearydrearyme, at least the use of spices was brought into the conversation as a factor.

SCWS · 02/04/2025 16:53

Traditional British food is quite clearly based on what we had available to us through the centuries, basically what we could easily grow or raise.

It’s not rocket science. It’s pretty obvious 😂

SCWS · 02/04/2025 16:53

It’s very stodgy though and I can’t stand fish and chips.

RampantIvy · 02/04/2025 17:00

SCWS · 02/04/2025 16:53

It’s very stodgy though and I can’t stand fish and chips.

Oh FFS.This again!

Not necessarily

The ignorance and lack of imagination shown by some posters on here beggars believe.

Grilled fish or meat with vegetables or salad,
Shepherd's pie with mashed swede instead of mashed potato, savoury mince minus the dumplings, a roast dinner without the potatoes and Yorkshires etc etc.

Do you never eat vegetables?

You can eat a healthy British stodge free diet if you put your mind to it.

SCWS · 02/04/2025 17:03

RampantIvy · 02/04/2025 17:00

Oh FFS.This again!

Not necessarily

The ignorance and lack of imagination shown by some posters on here beggars believe.

Grilled fish or meat with vegetables or salad,
Shepherd's pie with mashed swede instead of mashed potato, savoury mince minus the dumplings, a roast dinner without the potatoes and Yorkshires etc etc.

Do you never eat vegetables?

You can eat a healthy British stodge free diet if you put your mind to it.

Of course you can. I cook from scratch every day.

I am eternally sorry I missed a few words out and should have said “SOME can be very stodgy though…”

I’m absolutely right.

But please forgive me for displeasing you so 😂

Mumtobabyhavoc · 02/04/2025 17:16

Florsilvestredelcampo · 02/04/2025 16:20

I never understand why people go crazy for Eton Mess. It's not a recipe, it's a chef suddenly realising they've nothing to serve for dessert except broken meringue, cream and raspberries.

It's the simplicity and the combo is delicious.
What about the American Cobb salad? It also had a throw-together-what's-on-hand history.
The quintessential strawberries and cream in summer?
The perfect scone with the perfect cup of tea?
The creativity of the British home cook?
The stereotypes abound, but so does good home cooking. 😋

RampantIvy · 02/04/2025 17:21

SCWS · 02/04/2025 17:03

Of course you can. I cook from scratch every day.

I am eternally sorry I missed a few words out and should have said “SOME can be very stodgy though…”

I’m absolutely right.

But please forgive me for displeasing you so 😂

I am no longer displeased Grin
The thing is all cuisines have stodgy foods as well as non stodgy foods.

PalmTreeAngel · 02/04/2025 17:28

RampantIvy · 02/04/2025 17:21

I am no longer displeased Grin
The thing is all cuisines have stodgy foods as well as non stodgy foods.

This!!!

Fizbosshoes · 02/04/2025 18:23

Considering how many countries there are in the world, or even Europe, there are not all that many where their restaurants feature regularly in a uk average town or city.
French, Italian, Spanish, Turkish or Greek....(if we're thinking European)

I don't think I've seen a German, Swiss, Austrian, Hungarian or Bulgarian restaurant. Or any Scandinavian restaurants. I did go to a Polish restaurant about 20 years ago and i didn't really like my meal. The food was too salty for my taste , but maybe I made a bad choice...

And talking of stodgy , some pasta dishes or risotto can be stodgy (if not cooked well)