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Feel like a mug paying for buses in Wales

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CaptainArcher · 30/03/2025 23:05

I live in North Wales and the cost of a daily ticket on the bus is now £7.70 a weekly ticket is £28 now…

It seems like every time i board the bus I'm the only mug actually paying, i tap on and off with my bank card. Everyone else is a pensioner using their free bus pass, or people my age (30s) have a white pass card.. Which means they're on the sick

To make matters worse, i visit across the border sometimes to the Wirral and buses are so much more reasonably.. £2 for a single trip

I can drive bus i gave up cars a few years ago to save money and live a more simpler life

OP posts:
whynotwhatknot · 31/03/2025 12:36

free prescriptions? we havent got it all cushy here-o you also get free hospital parking

BoredZelda · 31/03/2025 12:44

BridgetJonesesOwl · 31/03/2025 00:26

It is very ridiculous that each different part of the United Kingdom gets different things.
I know we are all 4 countries in one union but we either receive all the same benefits or we might as well just be independent countries!

Why not just say you don’t understand devolution?

It’s quite straightforward. What works for England might not work for Scotland or Wales or Northern Ireland. So each of those has a separate level of Government who can choose to spend their budgets in ways that suit them, and raise taxes to pay for things like free prescriptions.

Keeping reserved matters like Defence, National Security, Fiscal Policy, Trade, Immigration etc protects the Union as having collective protection in those areas is more effective than having individual small nations working to different strategies. What would be the point in England having a strong navy if Wales didn’t? Having one single trading block makes the U.K. stronger. Imagine the same trading bureaucracy within the U.K. as we now have with the EU? Business would grind to a halt. The Scotland and Wales decide to re-join the EU, what does England do with that?

The last thing the U.K. needs is Scexit, Wexit and Niexit. The current situation is the best of both worlds.

Shegotanology · 31/03/2025 12:52

I very much doubt you'll see many rich, millionaire pensioners using public transport. Most elderly people I know are thankful to have a bus pass as it enables them to go out.

Inmydreams88 · 31/03/2025 12:52

I’m sorry your not old, sick or disabled OP

I think OAP bus passes are great, I’d rather have them use the bus for free than drive past the age of it being safe for themselves and other road users.

Shegotanology · 31/03/2025 12:53

It baffles me that people moan about those who don't have much and are just trying to get through life the best they can.

Hammy19 · 31/03/2025 13:09

CaptainArcher · 30/03/2025 23:16

Why should old people be equated with poor people? They've had an entire lifetime to get their sh*t together.

My grandparents are certainly not poor. They've got a house worth half a million, tons of investments, a car, pensions, but they get sent the magic free bus white card through the door from the Labour party in Cardiff.

Wow. I feel like a mug for feeling sorry for you

Fuuuuuckit · 31/03/2025 13:25

My car costs me £3 quid a day before I've even got in it - insurance, tax, MOT. Never mind the cost of buying it (outright) and depreciation.

Add in fuel at about a fiver a day for my commute, plus parking, plus servicing and fixing it when it breaks down and I reckon a seven quid bus fare is a bargain.

Nextdoortomeis · 31/03/2025 13:49

I'm sure when OP becomes a pensioner they will moan about everything

mumda · 31/03/2025 14:51

CaptainArcher · 30/03/2025 23:26

It should be affordable.

Everybody should be paying.. and then maybe the ticket price would come down to a normal level.

Someone's paying for the "freebies". Sadly it's also you.

babasaclover · 31/03/2025 15:31

SoManyTeeth · 31/03/2025 12:22

Assuming you're in England, and all the usual rules apply to you, you should never be paying that amount for prescriptions.

If you get regular prescriptions, you would almost certainly save money with a prescription prepayment certificate.

BUT! Even if it's an unexpected one-off, if you're paying three or four prescription charges a PPC can still be well worth it, and you don't have to wait for your drugs.

When you pay for the prescriptions, you MUST ask the pharmacist for an FP57 or prescription charge receipt. You CANNOT go back and get it later, it HAS to be when you pay.

Then go on the NHS BSA website and buy a 3-month PPC for about £32, and MAKE SURE YOU BACKDATE IT to before the date you paid your prescription charges.

Then when your PPC comes through (I think it's all digital now), you go to a pharmacist with your PPC and your FP57 and you'll get a refund of the prescription charges you paid.

As a bonus you'll also get free prescriptions for as long as the PPC lasts.

Edit: I'm aware this is still shit, because it assumes you have the cashflow to pay out another £32 before getting the original £40 or whatever back, but it's a useful option that a lot of people don't seem to have been told about. (Personally I think pharmacists should have to hand you a leaflet with this information if your prescription charges are more than the cost of a PPC, or they should be able to sell you an immediately-valid 3-month PPC there and then instead of the charges, but obviously that would be FAR beyond the infrastructure of the NHS and would look way too much like caring about people's welfare.)

All this faff is also a prohibitive process for many people with other disadvantages, such as lack of familiarity with the system, lack of literacy or digital literacy, cognitive or other difficulties that make this kind of admin trickier, lack of time, stressful or overburdened lives, etc. etc.

Edited

Thank you. I am aware as I used to be on long term meds so used to buy a yearly one. Annoyingly I had 1 prescription with 2 items on so thought not worth it for this one off occasion then needed the other 2 items a few days later. I did ask then but they said it will have been processed now as too many days in between. Luckily I am now fighting for so hope to not need anymore prescriptions in the foreseeable.

Really appreciate the advice though and hope others read your post and learn because they really don’t make it clear and at one point I was on several meds and it made massive difference to my bank balance to only pay for the pre pay service 👍. I know it’s cheaper than other countries to have a prescription rate but they are so high now I fear some are missing out on vital medicine

SoManyTeeth · 31/03/2025 15:55

babasaclover · 31/03/2025 15:31

Thank you. I am aware as I used to be on long term meds so used to buy a yearly one. Annoyingly I had 1 prescription with 2 items on so thought not worth it for this one off occasion then needed the other 2 items a few days later. I did ask then but they said it will have been processed now as too many days in between. Luckily I am now fighting for so hope to not need anymore prescriptions in the foreseeable.

Really appreciate the advice though and hope others read your post and learn because they really don’t make it clear and at one point I was on several meds and it made massive difference to my bank balance to only pay for the pre pay service 👍. I know it’s cheaper than other countries to have a prescription rate but they are so high now I fear some are missing out on vital medicine

Thanks for being so gracious in response to a lecture you already knew! (And which we both knew wouldn't be any use to you for this last set of charges, anyway, since FP57s seem to be among the NHS's best-kept secrets, and it can be awkward enough squeezing one out of a pharmacy even if you ask for it.) I would've just hated to think that you, or someone else, might be struggling with prescription costs or be reluctant or put off getting their prescriptions, when hard-to-find information about PPCs, FP57s and backdating could help them.

Glad you're feeling better now. Annoying, the way that fell out for you, with the two separate batches. Prescription charges often seem to work out like a random penalty, on things like exact timing, personal circumstances that don't bear much relation to ability to pay, and suchlike.

Like you say, we're lucky in comparison to some countries, but there are still people who struggle with the (often unexpected, often badly-timed) costs, and it can all seem so bloody arbitrary sometimes. I bought a PPC for years because I was on a complex combination of drugs for one condition, plus both regular and occasional drugs to treat two or three other conditions. Then I develop one more condition, treated with one cheap tablet a day, and suddenly everything is free, because of a quirk of history or something. And then there's the free prescriptions starting at age 60, which doesn't seem to bear much relation to anything else these days.

Edit: They could even just do something similar to systems they have in other countries, where you pay charges up to a certain limit within a defined time period, then anything you need after you've hit that limit is automatically covered for the rest of that time period.

They could still sell the slightly better-value 12-month PPC for people who get regular prescriptions and have to pay, but in effect, everyone else who pays for their prescriptions could be automatically enrolled on the 3-month PPC if they've hit the £32 limit in the last month, or whatever. I mean, they wouldn't be getting any more of a discount than they're already entitled to obtain via receipts and forms and buying a PPC and backdating up to a month and going to get a refund and all that palaver. And it's not like they don't know who we all are, what prescriptions we've all had and what charges we've paid, FFS.

But there's no incentive for them to make it easier for people who have to pay to avoid paying more than they need to. Even though those people who pay are in a minority. Apparently 60% of the population is exempt, and 95% of prescriptions dispensed are exempt.

At this point, charging a select few, who may or may not be able to easily absorb the costs, and making it as awkward as possible to recoup charges, seems almost like pettiness.

DeskJotter · 31/03/2025 17:03

Willoo · 31/03/2025 10:36

It amazes me the amount of people who think all pensioners are rich.

No one thinks all pensioners are rich. People correctly think that every other sector of society is less rich, as a group, and that support should be targeted where it is needed (including pensioners where they are poor).

Rachaelsyndrome · 31/03/2025 17:05

You feel jealous of the disabled? Because they save what - £2?

WilmaFlintstone1 · 31/03/2025 17:14

Took a few posts to realise that this an anti old people thread.

Anyone eho cannot work out that an older poor person lacks the means of working and improving their circumstances deserves to be labelled as “stupid”. All of you calling for means testing are stupid. You’re welcome.

Coffeeishot · 31/03/2025 17:33

DeskJotter · 31/03/2025 17:03

No one thinks all pensioners are rich. People correctly think that every other sector of society is less rich, as a group, and that support should be targeted where it is needed (including pensioners where they are poor).

But the original poster is on about that she's just annoyed that people she ha no idea about is getting on the bus free, it's a what about me post!

hehehesorry · 31/03/2025 17:39

For pensioners it should be case by case, my dad is sitting on a fortune but he's an absolute scrooge and takes the bus everywhere to save on petrol by his own admission.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 31/03/2025 17:42

I agree. It is unaffordable for working people to use the bus because so many people use it for free. Why should one person pay £8 and the other nothing when £4 would be fine for both.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 31/03/2025 19:55

WilmaFlintstone1 · 31/03/2025 17:14

Took a few posts to realise that this an anti old people thread.

Anyone eho cannot work out that an older poor person lacks the means of working and improving their circumstances deserves to be labelled as “stupid”. All of you calling for means testing are stupid. You’re welcome.

Yes, I agree with this.

Chersfrozenface · 31/03/2025 21:00

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 31/03/2025 17:42

I agree. It is unaffordable for working people to use the bus because so many people use it for free. Why should one person pay £8 and the other nothing when £4 would be fine for both.

The bus companies aren't carrying the people with passes for nothing - they get paid for every journey.

There are routes that would be cut if the bus companies weren't getting paid for concessionary trips.

PickAChew · 31/03/2025 21:16

Chersfrozenface · 31/03/2025 21:00

The bus companies aren't carrying the people with passes for nothing - they get paid for every journey.

There are routes that would be cut if the bus companies weren't getting paid for concessionary trips.

And, anyone still in doubt who would like to see how that works can do so, here. It even has a little diagram.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-reimbursing-bus-operators-for-concessionary-travel

How to reimburse bus operators for concessionary travel

How local authorities can calculate reimbursement to bus operators that carry concessionary passholders.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-reimbursing-bus-operators-for-concessionary-travel

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 31/03/2025 21:50

The government magic money tree? It cost £9 for a day ticket where I live.

BridgetJonesesOwl · 01/04/2025 00:10

@BoredZelda I do understand devolution just don't agree with it mainly because of serious health care injustices i.e. it is unfair that one can get treatment for something in say Scotland but are not allowed that same treatment in say England & vice versa:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9nqppj1llo

Plus:

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/cancer-patients-in-scotland-pay-for-tests-that-are-free-in-england-28vfzcrmv

Anyway this is a subject to a whole new thread so let's not hijack this.

Abiraterone tablets on a table

Men denied life-extending prostate cancer drug on NHS in England

NHS England says it cannot afford to offer abiraterone, which is available in Scotland and Wales.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9nqppj1llo

ForeveraBluebird · 01/04/2025 00:24

There is no magic free white pass sent in the post, you have to apply and fill in the required forms to obtain this magical ticket Op.

nomas · 01/04/2025 15:14

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 30/03/2025 23:20

There was no need to quote the whole OP.

Was there any need for that? Many people click ‘quote’ on reflex.

nomas · 01/04/2025 15:15

CaptainArcher · 30/03/2025 23:26

It should be affordable.

Everybody should be paying.. and then maybe the ticket price would come down to a normal level.

That does seem unfair. Might be better to start driving again rather than subsidise others, including people who can afford it.