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To think most people my age (32) are making huge financial mistakes?

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ThatPinkHedgehog · 28/03/2025 22:30

I see so many people in their late 20s and early 30s struggling financially - overspending, not saving, relying on ‘buy now, pay later,’ or just assuming they have time to figure it out later. AIBU to think that financial literacy is seriously lacking in my generation? What do you think the biggest mistake is?

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hookeywole · 29/03/2025 08:53

Also the whole buying 2nd hand isn't that important imo. I have 2nd hand bits from ebay but they are often more expensive than ikea, even the second hand ikea stuff is not much cheaper than new.

Badbadbunny · 29/03/2025 08:54

hookeywole · 29/03/2025 08:53

Also the whole buying 2nd hand isn't that important imo. I have 2nd hand bits from ebay but they are often more expensive than ikea, even the second hand ikea stuff is not much cheaper than new.

But quality second hand will last a lot longer than ikea. Keeping stuff is always cheaper than buying cheap and constantly changing it either because it breaks or you get bored with your colour scheme etc!

DS is looking for a corner sofa for his flat. Low quality ones new are roughly £1k. The ones he likes new that look as if they’ll last more than a few years are £2k. He can get the quality makes from the charity warehouse that look used but not damaged, a bit saggy, for around £500. It’s a no brainier to get one from the charity shop. Our sofas at home are decent quality and are 20/years old and still absolutely fine. Quality stuff lasts longer. It’s false economy to buy cheap as you’ll have to buy again within a few years.

hookeywole · 29/03/2025 08:58

My ikea drawers & wardrobes have lasted years

Ponoka7 · 29/03/2025 09:03

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 29/03/2025 08:50

I was at university (which my parents did not pay for) when I met my now DH. We rented for years while saving to afford to buy our house. I worked part time around college and uni to buy my tiny, 2k first car that I then drove for many years before having enough to change it.

We bought a second hand air mattress off eBay which we slept on and used as a sofa in a tiny, 1 bed flat we were renting til we could afford a bed and a sofa.

I had some luck in that an uncle moved in with his fiancée and let us have some of his furniture, which helped us out. But mostly, it was choices we made so we could live together and build the life we wanted.

Your so called good judgement was having the ability to go to Uni and bag a man who also earned well. Those tiny flats are now a much bigger % of people's outgoings and larger costs involved. On or around min wage £2k wouldn't be a starter car. Car ownership is a luxury a lot of people can't afford. As are driving lessons.

Badbadbunny · 29/03/2025 09:03

PrincessSakura · 29/03/2025 08:21

I also said luck or should I say privilege, as in having support from parents/family who can/want to assist you financially and want to help with grandchildren compared to parents who aren’t able or don’t want to help.

Yes, but even lucky people make poor choices! We may have been lucky to some extent, but we also made choices. Choices to wait until career and finances were sorted before having a child for example! Choice to prioritise studying alongside a full time job for a professional qualification thus losing a lot of time I could have spent having fun, etc. We also paid our parents rent so it wasn’t a freebie - the amount we both paid would have paid for us to rent our own flat.

EnidSpyton · 29/03/2025 09:03

I think it totally depends on where you live in the country, your relationship status and your family background. I don’t think it’s as simple as making sensible choices.

If you’re in London, you’re going to be paying an average of about £900 per month just to rent a room in a house. In your 20s, when you’re building a career and probably only bringing home about £2000 per month after tax, that means you’re paying out half your income on rent. By the time you’ve paid for travel, food and student loan, you’ve got very little left and you’re lucky if you can save £100 per month.

For people in that situation you’re trapped in a cycle of never being able to get enough money together for a deposit to buy somewhere because your rent is too expensive, and so unless you meet someone and can pool cash to buy together or family help you to get a deposit, you are living month to month with very little left over to build a future with.

When I was in my twenties and renting in London on a teacher’s salary I had to be incredibly frugal to save £500 per month, and I thought that was good going. But it would have taken me about 20 years to get together a deposit at that rate and I did have some months where I thought what’s the point in me saying no to things and ordering the cheapest thing on the menu and always worrying about every penny if I’m never going to be able to buy somewhere to live anyway, unless I move away from all my family and friends (I’m a born and bred Londoner)? In my mid twenties I just thought fuck it and I spent a year’s worth of savings on travelling and I didn’t regret it for a minute. Life is for living and we can’t spend the best years of our lives sitting at home counting pennies. It’s such a waste of a life.

I think a lot of people who are smug about how well they’ve done due to all the sacrifices they’ve made often live in cheap areas and have been with their partner from a young age and so have benefited from a dual income and lower housing costs for most of their adult life. They have no idea how challenging it is for people who are single and/or who live in cities where rent eats up half your income and prevents you from being able to save. No amount of sacrifices would have saved me a house deposit on my salary with the rent I was paying every month. For a lot of people it’s genuinely impossible even if they stopped spending the £50-100 or so a month they spend on nails or avocado toast or whatever other ‘frivolous’ luxury people are criticised for spending their money on.

I’m in my late thirties now and most of my friends have mortgages, but only because they’ve left London. It’s not because they were savvy with money - it’s because they accepted they would have to live somewhere they don’t actually want to be if they wanted to afford a house. It’s also because they found partners and were able to combine incomes. They didn’t do anything other than move and meet someone. I have no idea if they use credit to buy things but I would imagine not - most of them are on very good incomes. All of us grew up being very wary about credit card debt as we had parents who had lived through the horrific interest rate rises in the 80s/90s.

I own a flat in London because I inherited a huge amount of money from a family member a few years ago which saved me from my never ending cycle of the monthly struggle to rent and live. I now have a fabulous lifestyle as all my income is pretty much disposable. And I have no debt. But that’s not because I was smart with money - it’s because I was lucky to have family money to fall back on.

Plenty of people are fully aware of the consequences of their financial choices, but faced with the reality of how limited their options are long-term on the wages they earn, I fully understand why people spend now and don’t worry about later, and I don’t judge them for it. We live in a very uncertain time and it can be difficult to see the value in sacrificing good times now for a future that might not come or look very different to the one our parents have had.

YourIcyReader · 29/03/2025 09:03

I am the same age and no that’s not my experience. Some, yes, but not most!

SpanThatWorld · 29/03/2025 09:06

HeddaGarbled · 28/03/2025 22:59

What do you think the biggest mistake is?

Spaffing thousands on a wedding.

Have to agree with this one.

Family member spent 40k on theirs. Gobsmacked

Cherrysoup · 29/03/2025 09:07

Looking at my DH’s colleagues, mostly 20s and 30s, I tend to agree. They all, pretty much to a man/woman, have bought new cars on finance which has cost £300 per month. One of them recently’won’ a pet photo session. Result? £1200 for a set of pictures. Not sure if he’s gone ahead with the purchase but was seriously debating it. I just think it’s crazy!

hookeywole · 29/03/2025 09:11

Choices to wait until career and finances were sorted before having a child for example!

this is one reason birth rates are so low though because lots are waiting

hjokhjjjkkkd · 29/03/2025 09:14

OP didn’t want to come back and discuss it then? Why are there so many threads like this at the moment?

Gundogday · 29/03/2025 09:19

ThatPinkHedgehog · 28/03/2025 22:30

I see so many people in their late 20s and early 30s struggling financially - overspending, not saving, relying on ‘buy now, pay later,’ or just assuming they have time to figure it out later. AIBU to think that financial literacy is seriously lacking in my generation? What do you think the biggest mistake is?

I agree that financial literacy is missing - Martin Lewis has been banging on about it for years, although overspending isn’t exclusive to any generation.

The modern way of paying - Apple Pay, credit cards etc doesn’t help as you’re not spending ‘real money’. In the days of using cash, once it was spent, it was gone. Now, a card is endless.

PayYourselfFirst · 29/03/2025 09:21

ThisPinkBee · 28/03/2025 23:37

God its crazy - I agree there is WAY too much emphasis on spending. I've often thought this, that since the second world war the predominant identity available to people is as a consumer.

Shopping in malls, shopping online, shopping for deals etc. Made worse by social media which tells you to consume more and buy your identity. Even MSE which people worship (and is good) is also reinforcing people as consumers in a marketplace. Whereas if we explicitly said this non material thing (e.g. kindness) has value, and how do we build society based on that, we would ironically probably all be better off.

This
Constant obsession with " treats"
Expensive, sugar laden garbage, vaping, botox, subscriptions

"buying your identity"
Nailed it

MockTheGeek · 29/03/2025 09:21

I’m only 40 so definitely older than 32 but not by a huge amount.

I didn’t have a choice about having to leave home at 17 with no financial help. So then I didn’t have a choice about paying rent. I had three jobs from 17 and saved up a deposit by 21 which I used to buy a very cheap and modest house in a medium area. Didnt run a car or have holidays, but put money into the house. Then put myself through university whilst working and had DC and continued working and dint get married. Have always worked more than one job each. Paid off the mortgage by 32. But stayed in the very small house until we really had to have more space so we “upsized” but downgraded on area so our second house was only £15,000 more than the first one.

Managed to get a house and a relationship and a job and a degree and a mortgage and all that.

Fruitytutti223 · 29/03/2025 09:27

hjokhjjjkkkd · 29/03/2025 09:14

OP didn’t want to come back and discuss it then? Why are there so many threads like this at the moment?

I think everyone is genuinely confused about the financial state of the country. And it’s not surprising when it feels like so many people are pretty much living in parallel universes.

The London vs everywhere else divide.
The old legacy benefits of tax credits etc
The new UC benefits system
The tax system
Investment growth of those with money they can lose vs those who can’t and need easy access.

Its not as simple as money earnt - money out and choices.
It’s now a very complicated situation and I think people look around them and don’t understand what’s going on. How has that person got that house? How are they driving that car?

I am very open about talking about money and people will ask questions which I answer. It means I can usually get a little insight into their situation as well. And paradoxically it’s not cut and dry. Half of people doing ok or quite well are pleading poverty. Simultaneously you also have half of those not doing well financially who think they are doing well.

DP and I genuinely have no idea where we stand. We joke we are either the richest poor people we know or the poorest rich people. But it’s one of them 😂

hjokhjjjkkkd · 29/03/2025 09:29

I meant posters asking questions but not getting involved in the discussion. Feels contrived.

Lilyundervalley · 29/03/2025 09:31

cool4cats2020 · 29/03/2025 04:33

It's because that's how we've all been conditioned to think/plan financially. I truly believe it's what the powers that be want from the plebs. They want us to be hamsters in a wheel of debt, spending as fast as we can and living hand to mouth. No one (well, very few people), actually save up to buy anything expensive these days, it's all on tick.

So much stuff on monthly subscriptions/repayments, it's shocking when you take a step back and see what's really going on. All these people with nearly new cars that they can only afford because it's on a monthly payment plan. All they're doing is servicing the depreciation on an asset they don't even own.

Same with sending every one off to university at 18, charging them eyewatering fees, and then generously lending them a truck load of money. It just encourages young people into a lifetime of debt, conditioned them to it, so it becomes the norm. I actually think that these days, university is less about learning an academic qualification, more about teaching youngsters how to spend money they don't have.

But when they've been conditioned into spending beyond their means, which credit and subscription based spending encourages, the concept of scrimping and saving and going without the latest mobile phone, a nearly new car, and foreign holidays, is totally alien. Shit, even what some people spend on takeaway coffee adds up to an eyewatering amount when you look at it on an annual basis.

Then you've got all these youngsters bleating about how they can't afford to buy a house. Well, that's something that's never been easy, even when property prices were much lower compared to earnings (interest rates were generally higher, so the monthly payments were higher). So often the 'average house price' to average salary ratios are quoted by the media. But that just leaves youngsters disenchanted and thinking they'll never be able to afford to buy a home. So they just give up and don't even try to save a deposit.

Reality is that very few people jump on the housing ladder half way up it, with an 'average price' home. You start off small, with a flat or apartment, and then work your way up as you build equity (and hopefully rising prices and salaries help along the way too).

So it doesn't surprise me at all, and I think it's exactly what the higher ups want - they need people to keep spending to keep the bloody economy from collapsing.

I almost totally agree with your post. Only thing I take issue with is the starting with a small flat and working your way up the housing ladder. I'm gen x and that was normal and possible when I was in my 20s into 30s but in London at least I don't think it's possible any longer. Even smaller flats are out of reach of most but the highest earners or those with help.

XVGN · 29/03/2025 09:32

Cherrysoup · 29/03/2025 09:07

Looking at my DH’s colleagues, mostly 20s and 30s, I tend to agree. They all, pretty much to a man/woman, have bought new cars on finance which has cost £300 per month. One of them recently’won’ a pet photo session. Result? £1200 for a set of pictures. Not sure if he’s gone ahead with the purchase but was seriously debating it. I just think it’s crazy!

For reference, paying £300 pm net (£375 gross) into a SIPP for 10 years, using a well diversified portfolio of assets - rebalanced when necessary - could generate a pension fund of £115,000. Imagine having that at age 30 to build on for your future retirement.

LBFseBrom · 29/03/2025 09:32

Not just your generation. I am seventy five and at 32 had no spare money, lived from pay day to pay day. Life was very hard for a good few years as it was for many working parents with mortgages. We never though too far ahead, were just glad to get by. It's the same for young people now, that is life. People still manage to have some enjoyment and so they should.

It passes eventually.

CrispyMonkey · 29/03/2025 09:34

I made the mistake of thinking I wasn't in debt so was doing ok when should have been actively saving or planning. So looked ok.on paper but not forward thinking. I've managed to correct that by being lucky enough to change sectors and get a very good job that will close the pension gap and has closed the savings gap. I will be talking to my child about money very openly and future planning. My parents never talked about it, were always on the brink of real financial trouble and very wary of debt/oddly judgemental of things like shares. But I'm also not young and could have thought for myself.

hookeywole · 29/03/2025 09:36

For reference, paying £300 pm net (£375 gross) into a SIPP for 10 years, using a well diversified portfolio of assets - rebalanced when necessary - could generate a pension fund of £115,000. Imagine having that at age 30 to build on for your future retirement.

That seems an incredible return!

LaTristesseDureraToujours · 29/03/2025 09:39

I think that for some people, life is just really fucking hard and the instant gratification of booking a holiday or getting/doing something nice trumps squirrelling away what little they have spare to save for a house that you don’t feel you’ll ever be able to get a deposit for.

For my family, my husband works outrageous hours (like truly appalling, he’s had days where the break between his 14+ hour shifts has been so short he’s not even had chance to get home in between) and on a good month he will earn enough to cover our bills and not much else. On months with no overtime it’s not enough for our bills and we don’t live extravagantly at ALL. My heart breaks for him with how he works but the industry he is part of doesn’t value the sheer degree to which it dominates your life and the hours the staff put in.

We have a young child and if I didn’t work a day or two a week when my parents are able to help with childcare (nurseries are so unaffordable around here) we would be living in our overdraft some months.

For us, squirrelling the little we have to save for a house seems pointless - we would rather book a trip so we all have something to look forward to/motivate us through hard work. Our car broke and we couldn’t afford to just replace it, we’ve been saving the last few months but we are managing without and while it probably seems exceptionally financially irresponsible, a little holiday is winning in our car vs. week away money debate.

A lot of people I know are the same. Everything costs so much and people just want to feel like they’re not working for nothing and actually living, so make decisions that are maybe a bit stupid from the outside. It makes you happy to get clothes that make you feel nice so people stick it on Klarna, or Buy Now Pay Later. Or book a holiday with their spare money rather than using it in a sensible way. It’s a slippery slope but people just need a bit of hope in this world that can be depressing as hell at times.

HelenWheels · 29/03/2025 09:40

hjokhjjjkkkd · 29/03/2025 09:29

I meant posters asking questions but not getting involved in the discussion. Feels contrived.

AGREE,
taking our answers and writing an article to be published somewhere!

Teateaandmoretea · 29/03/2025 09:40

hookeywole · 29/03/2025 09:36

For reference, paying £300 pm net (£375 gross) into a SIPP for 10 years, using a well diversified portfolio of assets - rebalanced when necessary - could generate a pension fund of £115,000. Imagine having that at age 30 to build on for your future retirement.

That seems an incredible return!

If the employer pays double then yes it’s easily doable. Otherwise I’m less convinced. Maybe at retirement 30 years later - and that’s the thing, the earlier you save the better off you are.

hookeywole · 29/03/2025 09:41

is it normal for an employer to contribute that?