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To not have sent BIL a condolence message after the death of his dog

19 replies

OKNerd · 25/03/2025 09:37

For context: I don’t get on with BIL (DH’s brother). Neither does he, never has. For many reasons but BIL is selfish and a prolific liar. He’s kowtowed financially and emotionally by PILs despite being in his 40’s, which has made him really irresponsible and he behaves like a 15yo. He’s also very childish on social media (relevant) - he posts EVERY waking thought and grievance.

3.5 years ago he got 2 XL Bullies. Despite the fact he lives in a 1st floor flat with no outdoor space, and went on to rarely walk them (PIL would do the walking because BIL “never felt up to it”). My kids were 4 and 7 when he got them. We said under no circumstances would our kids be around them and if there were family gatherings and the dogs were there we wouldn’t go or we’d turn the car around. ILs would tell me they are soft dogs but I was taking no chances. BIL is VERY bitter about this and would always make passive aggressive bitter comments when he did see us about us not wanting the dogs round our kids and how we are over reacting.

Anyway, one of them was PTS last week. BIL said it’s because of an illness but I’m v sceptical because he’s a perpetual liar. This was supposedly discovered and he was PTS on the same day.

Anyway he’s been very vocal on social media about his grief in the last week, several posts a day about how he misses the dog. I do know that it is very painful when you lose a dog (one of the reasons I don’t own one anymore). But I never ever comment on social media posts, or react to them either. If I have something to say to people I DM them. I haven’t DM’d BIL because he isn’t someone I speak to really. DH hasn’t messaged him because he isn’t insincere in any way and he thinks it’s a good thing the dog has been PTS. It’s his brother so I’m not getting involved in the politics. We also have our own stuff going on with our kids at the moment.

Anyway ILs have called DH to say BIL is upset that his own brother and SIL haven’t extended their condolences after his loss, and have asked us to message him or send him a card as he’s taken it personally and thinks we are glad his dog died.

To digress a little, my dad died a few years ago. He was quite young and it was sudden so at the time, I was his next of kin so I did inform close family and then made a generic Facebook post to let wider family know in one go with funeral details. Because I barely post on Facebook I easily found this post and BIL didn’t comment, react, nor did he message me. I also don’t recall him offering his condolences in person - even though he knew at the time because we couldnt attend his DD’s christening last minute as I had to go and identify my dad’s body (DH made an eleventh hour phone call to tell BIL we wouldn’t be attending and why).

WIBU to not message BIL or offer my sympathy? DH says he’ll offer his condolences when he sees him in person but TBH I’m annoyed BIL has even brought it up like his dog’s death is more important and significant or sympathy worthy than my dad’s.

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Whyherewego · 25/03/2025 09:40

Absolutely YANBU and I'd point out to the in-laws that condolences is not something that happens between BIL and you as he didn't send any when your dad died. So when you next see him you'll say something but that's it.

Fagli · 25/03/2025 09:41

You don’t like him and you don’t want to other him sympathy, so why would you bother?

Azureshores · 25/03/2025 09:41

He sounds like a massive attention seeker. No way would I be messaging him.

And if your IL's mention it again "well BIL didn't message when my dad died so I didn't think condolence messages were his thing" should suffice. Your Il's sound like shit stirrers.
And have asked us to message him or send him a card as he’s taken it personally and thinks we are glad his dog died - did they really say that? That's a crazy statement to make.

AstonishedWaiting · 25/03/2025 09:43

Frankly, I’d be delighted if a big, potentially dangerous, under-exercised dog, confined to a first-floor flat, with an owner who doesn’t seem up to the responsibility of that kind of dog, or to understand why someone with small children wouldn’t want them to be around it, has died. Better for the dog, better for everyone.

OKNerd · 25/03/2025 09:45

Azureshores · 25/03/2025 09:41

He sounds like a massive attention seeker. No way would I be messaging him.

And if your IL's mention it again "well BIL didn't message when my dad died so I didn't think condolence messages were his thing" should suffice. Your Il's sound like shit stirrers.
And have asked us to message him or send him a card as he’s taken it personally and thinks we are glad his dog died - did they really say that? That's a crazy statement to make.

Yep. They treat him like a child and wonder why he isn’t more resilient or independent. We are constantly “told” not to say/do things around BIL because “he’s very sensitive he’s been through a break up” etc. We usually ignore what they tell us though and they’re pushing DH away with this attitude because the same consideration isn’t given to DH, his problems are dismissed. Its like walking on egg shells.

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OKNerd · 25/03/2025 09:45

AstonishedWaiting · 25/03/2025 09:43

Frankly, I’d be delighted if a big, potentially dangerous, under-exercised dog, confined to a first-floor flat, with an owner who doesn’t seem up to the responsibility of that kind of dog, or to understand why someone with small children wouldn’t want them to be around it, has died. Better for the dog, better for everyone.

This is exactly what my DH said. I’m inclined to agree.

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Moveoverdarlin · 25/03/2025 09:46

I’d tell the in-laws in no uncertain terms ‘Steve didn’t offer his condolences when my lovely Dad died, so I’ll be fucked if I’m offering mine when his dangerous dog has been put down’.

Don’t think there is much they can say to that.

thepariscrimefiles · 25/03/2025 09:47

Why on earth would you be expected to send condolences for the death of his (dangerous) dog to the BIL you don't have a relationship with who didn't send any condolences when your father died?

Just ignore your PILs' guilt tripping message.

ScupperedbytheSea · 25/03/2025 09:47

"I'm not interested in getting involved in this manipulative behaviour from a family member who has never demonstrated his support of me or my family during difficult times".
Something like that from your DH will do the job nicely surely? No point in dressing it up.

Redshoeblueshoe · 25/03/2025 09:48

I'd go NC with BIL. Your DH should tell his parents to back off.

Safxxx · 25/03/2025 09:48

I think your husband is right he or you can say your condolences in person when you see him....

SuperMarioSuperMario · 25/03/2025 09:55

Unlike some pps I don't think you should bring your dad into this, it's not comparable so I wouldn't be talking about both things in the same breath and inviting the comparison. The fact is you didn't care about his condolences or not at the time, you didn't give him any headspace as is completely understandable and normal, so I wouldn't raise it now as it could give the impression you care/d about his opinion.

As for the dog... I agree that whatever the circumstances, the passing of an under stimulated large breed dog before any real harm was done is probably best outcome for the dog and humans involved. I wouldn't say that to the family though. I think you should continue to ignore him, let DH give condolences in person, but otherwise don't give his madness more oxygen.

Op, I am very sorry about your dad xx

Apreslapluielesoleil · 25/03/2025 09:57

I’ve owned many cute, cuddly, friends with everyone dogs and cats over the years and don’t think I’ve ever received a condolence card on their deaths even from very close equally animal loving friends. It’s completely OTT and attention seeking.
And those poor dogs, much as I don’t like XL Bullies they shouldn’t be stuck in a flat with so little exercise.
If ILs mention it again just say it’d never occur to you to send condolences over an animal, just people. Mentioning your dad might make it look tit for tat.

Ellie1015 · 25/03/2025 10:09

I would just say to MIL "bil and I are not close. He didnt even message when my dad died. We dont have that kind of relationship. Hope he is ok"

HellDorado · 25/03/2025 10:17

I absolutely would not be messaging someone I don’t like and who doesn’t like me with condolences on the death of a pet.

But also, I would not be looking at their crap on social media. It’s just annoying you, so why look at it? You can unfollow him without him even knowing you’ve done it.

Hoppinggreen · 25/03/2025 10:19

You aren't sorry so why would you say you are?
BIL sounds like a Dick and his parents are enablers, ignore the lot of them

Easterbunnygettingsorted · 25/03/2025 10:19

Mil needs to keep her beak out...

DaisyChain505 · 25/03/2025 10:25

This is 100% your partners issue and decision. None of the responsibility lands on you. if your husband doesn’t feel the need to contact his brothers that’s up to him and he also needs to be the one to explain to his parents why. Don’t waste any more thought on it. It’s not your problem to worry about.

SparklyGlitterballs · 25/03/2025 10:27

Who even sends cards when a dog dies? Were a family of dog owners who dote on our dogs and are devastated when they die, but we'd never do more than a phone call or private message to pass on our condolences when such an occasion arises. Your BIL is a prize twat.

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