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To wonder whether gaslighting is part of the UK medical curriculum?

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Seeingred70 · 21/03/2025 13:14

Slightly inflammatory title, but the recent thread by the poor mum who had to fight to get her concerns about her son (who turned out to have a brain tumour) heard and actioned, so mirrored my own experience of getting my daughter’s (now stage 4) cancer diagnosed, and those of friends and acquaintances who’re battling or have battled to get their concerns about their/their child’s health taken seriously, that I can’t help wondering whether doctors are actually trained not just to assume most patients are ‘worried-well’, but to actively come up with benign explanations for clinical signs and symptoms of disease that will reassure patients and negate the need to treat them, until they are so ill that it is a medical emergency.

My story: in brief:

My daughter was completely and utterly exhausted with elevated inflammatory markers, that went from 4 x the upper normal limit, then 8, then 11. The paediatrician (after a four month wait during which 4 attempts to expedite the appointment failed): ‘that’s probably just her normal - my inflammatory markers are often in the 30s’. By this point, she had lost almost all daily functioning. She had anaemia, and pretty much every symptom of systemic inflammation there is, plus rare antibodies associated with several serious conditions in her blood and other biochemical signs of disease. The paediatrician insisted it was chronic fatigue. It took a very robust challenge from me (two letters and an argument in clinic) to get referred to a specialist , who ultimately ordered a ct angiogram, which ultimately lead to a diagnosis of cancer.

I’ve recently been experiencing severe palpitations, and had two abnormal ECGs in A & E. Family history of dilated cardiomyopathy. Cardiologist: they probably just positioned the leads incorrectly. I have challenged this and am booked in for an echo. But why assume incorrrect positioning when the results reflected the symptoms?

Step-daughter had a 5 cm mass detected at her anomaly scan. Referred to gynaecology: growing uterus obscured the ovaries so rescheduled for 12 weeks post-partum. Ovaries were clear - gynaecologist: must have been an ovarian cyst that burst. Me: hmm, can the ovaries even be visualised at the 20 week abdominal ultrasound? (Quick google and the answer is, more often than not, no, not both of them). Is it possible that what the midwife sonography saw was higher up? More fights; scan performed; abdominal tumour of the same variety as my daughter’s is discovered; 7.5 cm ((turns out husband has a dodgy mutation).

Other anecdotes: a friend whose daughter’s recurrent migraines were attributed to eating too much fatty food by a paediatrician who didn’t even ask about her diet (which, incidentally, contains very little fatty food). A friend whose son’s pronounced limp - which a private podiatrist put down to a protective gait due to the pain he is experiencing (and refused to take payment because he couldn’t help - said he needed an MRI to locate the source of the pain) was attributed to psychosomatic pain due to poor mental health, with the accompanying burst blood vessels around his ankles being attributed to friction from his socks. A friend whose son was hospitalised with an asthma attack on the day she had seen the GP with concerns he was asthmatic and was told he ‘just had a cold’.

So, what do you think? Am I just one very unlucky ‘service user’ with some very unlucky friends, or is there something wrong here? It has to be said, once diagnosed, the doctors are great, at least in so far as all the gaslighting stops and they start listening to you, rather than dismissing you, but I feel like it is unnecessarily difficult to get to that point, and I dread to think what happens to those who assume the doctor always knows best.

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Happywife9 · 22/03/2025 14:59

Maybe OP and others should retrain as a doctor, become a GP etc? It only takes 12 years. Which in the grand scheme of life is not that long. Its relatively inexpensive as mostly funded by tax payers. I know one lady who started it in her early 50s!

it might be useful to have people with such expierences of gaslighting and negligence infiltrating the medical profession so they can use that to help others and change the system from the ground up?

Blemin · 22/03/2025 15:06

@Happywife9 you work in the NHS and I claim my five pounds.

Definitely defend your position. Don't listen to patients. They're all crazy! They're all out to get you! Lalalalalala.

Seeingred70 · 22/03/2025 15:16

@Happywife9oh dear, back to not being able to criticise except from the inside. I’d love to be able to train/retrain, seek employment, but for the last three years, I’ve been a full-time career to my daughter, battling the system for a large part of that to get someone, anyone, to recognise that what was ailing her wasn’t ‘just’ anxiety or chronic fatigue. The next few years (I hope we’ve got years, but I have no idea) will be spent supporting her throughout her cancer treatment. Perhaps, those in the system could listen to the experiences of the gas-lit and reflect on their practice and those aspects of it that are within their powers to improve. The system should be capable of change based on listening to the experiences of those it serves. It’s quite clear that there is an issue with the culture in the NHS. It would be arrogant of me, or anyone else, to assume that I would be more immune/resistant to it than the next person, should I choose to work in it.

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Itsamummybear · 22/03/2025 15:16

I was referred to social services because they thought I had munchausens by proxy… turns out I was right. My son did have an extremely rare birth defect; 5 years later he’s having genetic testing. Completely ruined my life did, that referral- I’ve had to bite my tongue regarding concerns about my son due to the fear that they would get involved again. Furious furious furious.

Words · 22/03/2025 15:19

I first saw a male locum, recently arrived in uk, who dismissed my symptoms ( rapidly increasing breathlessness and debility, swollen legs , feet and stomach) as the result of eating unhealthy foods. He poked my stomach through my clothes and glanced at my ankles.

His notes read he had concluded this as I was able to talk in complete sentences and had 'admitted to eating unhealthily' ( yes I do sometimes but I hardly exactly exist on takeaways and barely eat anything at all now due to the distended abdomen. )

He asked what I did for a living and actually rolled his eyes when I explained I was a senior manager in the public sector. Presumably because at that point I looked like a bag lady.

Insisted on seeing another gp, female, competent who ordered a battery of tests. I have heart failure, kidney issues and other stuff going on. I probably won't ever work again as things are deteriorating fast.

Consultant has discharged me back to gp with a prescription for medication that has caused more issues than it has solved - and who cannot answer my many questions as of course she is a generalist not a specialist.

528htz · 22/03/2025 15:22

Happywife9 · 22/03/2025 14:59

Maybe OP and others should retrain as a doctor, become a GP etc? It only takes 12 years. Which in the grand scheme of life is not that long. Its relatively inexpensive as mostly funded by tax payers. I know one lady who started it in her early 50s!

it might be useful to have people with such expierences of gaslighting and negligence infiltrating the medical profession so they can use that to help others and change the system from the ground up?

So people should only be listened to if they're qualified GPs? God complex or what?!

Patients are quite often intelligent, sentient beings who are perfectly capable of identifying when they're ill and are also capable of identifying when they're being fobbed off. We're not all thick hypochondriacs.

GPs will soon be replaced by AI and I can't wait.

Iheartmysmart · 22/03/2025 16:49

I’m sure my school friend who died needlessly from a brain tumour at just 16 would love to have had the opportunity to study to be a doctor or whatever she wanted to be. But that decision was taken from her by medical professionals who decided her excruciating headaches and other symptoms were just hormonal and refused any testing.

Rriefrw · 22/03/2025 17:17

From what I've spoken to and experienced myself going private is so much better and gets the job done.

OneTC · 22/03/2025 17:28

Once went to the doctors with an obvious infection requiring antibiotics, because of the infection I'd ended up going to a walk in centre locally because I couldn't drive/ride to doctors, in the nearby town I used to live in.

I told him I had an anaphylactic reaction to penicillin.

He suggested I try it anyway because some people were wrongly diagnosed as allergic to penicillin when they weren't. I said I was 100% sure. He said he was pretty sure I wasn't allergic to penicillin.

I walked out and went and got the train to my actual GP who prescribed me an antibiotic that wouldn't kill me

Blemin · 22/03/2025 17:33

It is true that about 90% of people who have previously had an allergic reaction to penicillin are not still allergic when retested in a hospital setting. Many allergies are not lifelong. I was allergic to a fruit for five years and then it went away.

That's not the same as giving it a go at home, however!

OneTC · 22/03/2025 17:38

Yeah and if it hadn't been a walk in centre I might have been more inclined to listen, as it stands my own doctor won't risk it so I'm not having it from a doctor who the only thing he knows about me and my medical history is I could be allergic to penicillin.

Lookingforwardto2025 · 22/03/2025 17:46

Another major plus of private consultations is that you aren't restricted to one thing in 8 minutes.

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