To think the NHS Significant job losses are a good thing to get rid of management pushing paper around all day and increase the number of hands on staff

[Husbandrippedmeoff]

What does this mean, will they be slashing the number of people who work in management?

Do you work for the NHS are you worried?

NHSE is different to NHS.

But you're not off sick are you, with stress? We all get stressed in our job to a point. If the stress is too much for you, then maybe find another job which has lower stress levels. No-one is forced to stay in a low paid job if they can't cope. Lots of other jobs out there.

But clearly they're not doing these tasks well are they?.....

Or....and here's a novel idea.....we staff our NHS properly so as not to put so much stress on people. Not just keep overloading everyone until they break or leave

it may come as a surprise to you that pen pusher is not my job title, nor appear in my job description.

The risk is doctors end up doing paperwork when they should be seeing patients, we need a better system and more computerisation, but I doubt we have way too many administrators, some may be in the wrong places though.

But the Consultant' PA's PA is not a NHSE employee

Or maybe the upper management need to organise the staff they have better. It’s just totally disorganised. We have a relative who is currently subject to a lot of inpatient appointments, and the system seems to be in utter chaos. Different areas of the NHS just don’t appear to share information between each other. And it doesn’t instil confidence when consultants are looking at out of date inaccurate notes, and are asking the actual patient for summaries of what the current status of their treatment/next steps are.

How are you deciding this @Livelovebehappy?

What if the costs of providing healthcare to the number of older people we have now, costs this amount of money. Lots of analyses have said that the NHS doesn't waste money on eg. Admin staff, is good value for money compared with other countries and the price of medication in this country is driven to very good value by the system (a system supported by NHSE).

Counter opinion: The NHS is not wasting money, it costs what it costs to provide the health service we have. If the government need to stop spending money on the NHS then they need to define what can be afforded to be provided for free to the population and what cannot. Population health and population mental health need more money. Training of health professionals needs to be joined up and junior doctors need better working conditions to stop them all leaving. Primary care needs investment or change.

But the government create smoke and mirrors of decision making by getting rid of NHSE without a viable plan for what happens next.

Your OP is ignorant, goady shit, so having a go at someone else for posting something you don’t find useful is V. unreasonable of you.

Ensuring health and safety in an ever changing environment (which health care needs to be to be any good) needs constant attention.

I’ve worked in the NHS. Paper pushers are most definitely a thing

Feel free to enlighten us and tell us what you do!

As is the case anywhere but NHS workers seem to not be able to admit it. Its as if they get a free pass to say "I work for the NHS" and we should all stand on our doorsteps and clap them.

The biggest “I’m a key worker” shouter i know in lockdown was a £35k a year “Staff wellbeing officer” who organised yoga sessions and fruit and veg discounts for staff.

This does not surprise me at all!

I agree with everything you say, especially regarding preventative medicine. I had lots of lectures about preventative medicine in the 70s when doing my nursing training. We still aren't doing it. We are still dealing with chronic illness and disability because we aren't doing it. Especially with women's health.
After nearly 40 years of extremely hard work in the nhs, I am now a patient with chronic disease, pain and disability having had to fight and beg for every little bit of health care. All too little too late. It is exhausting and frustrating.

I’m embarrassed for you OP. Starting a thread with such a strong title about a subject you appear to be extremely ignorant about. Hoping people lose their jobs.

Now you’re keen to believe someone has a FT job in the NHS organising yoga and fruit discounts.

If I were you I’d just let the thread die off before making anymore of a spiteful fool of myself.

Excellent post and summary

7 NHS trusts between myself and my partner and I’ve literally never heard of this? The vast majority of PAs for consultants are a band 4 (qualified nurses start at the bottom of band 5, and if qualified for 20 years and never promoted they’d be at the top of band 5). And in my experience each PA looks after 2-4 consultants and certainly doesn’t have their own PA, what a ridiculous statement. There’s often other admin functions of a lower band that work with the consultant team such as the outpatient booking clerk or the admissions officer but usually work in different departments and are a band 3.

@Kpo58absolutely. To admit a party to our ward means logging on to three separate systems. One to put them on the bed state. One for stickers and one for wristbands.

Why the aggressive posts @Husbandrippedmeoff?

Appreciate your words ... quite thought provoking. Thanks.

I already have. Do read your own thread.

I'm voluntary sector, not NHS, but admin can absolutely be stressful - for example imagine your workload being more than doubled and only being given two extra hours a week.

We have a lot of contact with the NHS locally, at one point one of their admin staff used to pop over to use our photocopier as they weren't allowed to do colour copies because of the cost, even if it was affecting that needed to be in colour. Admin staff also ended up buying pens and stationery. She left in the end and wasn't replaced, so presumably some manager on a lot more money had to do his own admin...