Does the difficulty with getting nursing jobs mean there is no point in young people doing nursing degrees?

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Just that really

Where are they being advertised? Almost none on Trac.

I work in mental health and there definitely is an issue in my area. Services are being cut so staff redeployed and there are fewer vacancies than I have seen for years.

The Trust had a drive for recruiting internationally trained nurses too because 5 years ago, we were really short of staff and this has made a big difference but we now have nurses qualifying with very few jobs available!

250 Band 5 or 6 permanent nursing vacancies currently in the South West. A number of which are working for Mental Health trusts

I didn't know this was an issue until a 3rd year student I work with said the year above her who had qualified, lots of them were struggling to get band 5 jobs.

mumsnet is super pro immigration/diversity right up until the point where competition from international medical/nursing graduates starts to directly affect their precious children's chances of getting an NHS job

Of course, back when it was (mostly working class male) tradesmen complaining about their livelihood being destroyed due to excessive competition from Eastern Europeans, they were ignorant racists who deserved to be mocked

mumsnet is super pro immigration/diversity right up until the point where competition from international medical/nursing graduates starts to directly affect their precious children's chances of getting an NHS job

Of course, back when it was (mostly working class male) tradesmen complaining about their livelihood being destroyed due to excessive competition from Eastern Europeans, they were ignorant racists who deserved to be mocked

This is it. Hospitals want nurses who are trained and ready to go. It's often the same in other countries; it is in the USA. Going from new graduate to experienced nurse is a bottleneck in the system.

If you are born poor in this country with no family support, particularly if female like most nurses: there’s no point in trying to do anything. If you do, you certainly need a sector that will give a good guarantee of secure results.

In the north west that certainly is not nursing any more. Every 2nd band3 I meet is a nursing student with no future.

I particularly feel for nurses as they haven’t just got into a lifelong debt for a piece of paper, they have had to work on the wards on placement to ‘earn’ that debt and paper - in fact my ward often seems largely staffed by students.

It’s a shit show and a joke all round in this collapsing country.

One health authority in my area is asking for voluntary redundancies already, and several more are in severe economic trouble.

The issue with this comment is that the vacancies are actually there, the departments are chronically understaffed- but there is no funding to be able to advertise the post.

@Startingoverandover lots of NHSE staff are clinical and keep their registration. You’re right they are unlikely to take B5 or 6 posts but they will take higher bands which means others can’t move on and create vacancy lower down.

So this is batshit. It’s not ‘diverse’ to leech people from developing countries where they’re needed, to then deny homegrown students jobs. Many of those students are also ‘diverse’

There might be vacancies but nurses are struggling to get jobs, especially newly qualified.
I used to work with a nurse in A and E, she recently qualified as a mental health nurse as wanted to change branch. She is applying for loads of places and not getting the job. She’s an experienced nurse.

It's the same for midwives. DD is a third year student and the uni have told them they will struggle to get jobs. There's very few Band 5 jobs advertised only band 6 for experienced midwives. It's very worrying for her.

NHS Wales just signed a deal to recruit 200 nurses from Kerala, India.

I wondered if it was area specific?
The nurses I work with are choosing their workplaces.

We're very rural, so perhaps it's very different in urban areas?

I am aware of many student nurses and student nurse associates that qualified in January and still don't have a job and some due to qualify and no job lined up. Many have put of applying for there pin so can atleast complete bank HCA shifts.

There is job freezes all over the U.K.

Panels of managers looking at every job deciding whether or not that job can be done without…

Huge scale back to save hospitals millions of pounds in deficit.

Its a national disgrace.

One of my NHS colleagues told me a recent inpatient band 5 post (mental health) has had nearly a hundred applications. A couple of years ago we had adverts out all the time and no applicants.

I really feel for students qualifying this year😢

Im a learning disabilities nurse. Repeatedly hear that they will be obsolete. I've always had work, even in nursing homes (usually they want RGNs and RNMHs) as well as MH rehab, ABI rehab, secure placements and challenging behaviour units. Oh and community nursing. I've enjoyed the varying experiences I've had.

If she wants to be a nurse then she should go for it. Everything could be different in 3 years when she's qualified. I know a student nurse we had who was a band 7 within about 2 years of qualifying.

And tell her not to base significant decisions on "my mum read a couple of threads on Mumsnet and decided nurses aren't a thing anymore"

The company I recruit for is always looking for RNs (elderly adults/dementia)

This is ridiculous when we have qualified nurses here already

Asian nurses aren't the same as UK qualified ones in terms of qualification or experience but the UK equalizes them because they want cheap labour for the NHS (and because they offer the 5 year route to citizenship as a sweetner these people will often be on lower salaries for their entire career. It is so hard to get an NHS job right now as someone newly qualified.

Overseas recruitment fills a gap, it does not take jobs from locals! It’s far more expensive to recruit from overseas. This thread is so full of DM sound bites and lies.

Probably very dim of me but I didn't realise you couldn't work as aHCA once you had a pin.