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To send an employee to a client even though she refuses because of her religion?

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GelatinousDynamo · 15/03/2025 13:30

I have a new employee in my team, she is a devout Muslim. She's been with us since January and there were no issues so far, she's getting along well with everyone and her performance was fine. I sent her an email on Friday afternoon to say that our client has now (finally) prepared all necessary documents and that she should go there and go over everything with them one day next week. She wrote me back today that she can't do that because only men work in the department and she can't spend the day alone with strange men (because of her religion).

AIBU to insist that she does her job and goes there or would that be religious discrimination? She shares an office with a male colleague and has never complained about it. She's the first devout Muslim I've ever had on my team and I honestly have no experience at all with such issues. She's the only one who has the necessary experience and isn't already scheduled elsewhere.

OP posts:
SanctusInDistress · 15/03/2025 14:42

does her job description say that she is required to meet with external clients?

if that’s the case, and she signed the contract, then she has two options:

  1. resfuse to do so and be taken through performance management. She will threaten suing, but she won’t winz
  2. resign and find a job where there is no requirement to meet with external clients

its very simple

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 14:42

It is your company isn’t it Op?

Terrribletwos · 15/03/2025 14:42

GelatinousDynamo · 15/03/2025 14:39

Thank you everyone for your input (although it's hard to keep up with all the questions).

She covers her hair, but does not wear a burka or anything. She's in a technical field, so, sadly, her main points of contact on any project will usually be men. She's told me she quit her previous company because they wouldn't assign her to the prestigious jobs, and now I'm wondering if this might have been the reason why.

We do have HR, but we're not a huge company with endless resources, so would probably have to seek outside counsel.

It's not that easy to "just send her with someone else" - we get paid by the hour, and the client does not expect to have to pay for another person just because a senior I'm sending him is uncomfortable with men.

Did she tell you this at interview?

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 14:43

Does she usually WFH?
Is this the first meeting she has had to attend?

Trolleysaregoodforemployment · 15/03/2025 14:44

Chungai · 15/03/2025 14:29

Absolutely, and make sure they know their stuff. I think sacking her for this if she's otherwise doing a good job would be discrimination.

I know some devout Muslims through my son's friends and the husband would never come to the door as he would be "alone" with me and the wife was uncomfortable if my husband dropped my son off at the door etc and wouldn't be allowed in the house if she was the only adult.

Is there any way round it eg could another female colleague attend, could it be held virtually on Teams, could she swap jobs with another colleague? Reasonable adjustments should be offered

I don't think it is reasonable to expect one colleague to cover for another in relation to a core aspect of the role if it is for the reason given here.

mudandgrass · 15/03/2025 14:45

MayaPinion · 15/03/2025 14:19

That’s different. My understanding is that Muslim women are not allowed to be alone with men they are not related to. You may not agree with that but that’s the rule. Nowhere does it say that a Christian cannot be in the company of a gay person. They’re not allowed to ‘be’ a gay person 🙄 but there’s no law against spending time with them.

OP, ask the employee what they can do to achieve the same outcome. If she is otherwise good at her job and this is a small part of it I would endeavour to find a solution - it’s hard to find good staff. If it is a big part of the job and will have a significant impact on the business, and there are no reasonable adjustments that can be made, then that’s a different conversation.

There’s no ‘law’ in Islam either. What there are, are different interpretations and beliefs in Islam around this.

What is a law in the UK is that you cannot refuse to provide a service to someone because of their protected characteristic, ( such as being of the male sex). This is why Christians ( and Muslims etc) are not allowed to refuse a service to someone because they are gay.

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 14:46

Your DH wants you to fire her?

Presumably he’s gunning for you too to be fired

4forksache · 15/03/2025 14:46

Interesting to find out hr’s position on this.

Ablondiebutagoody · 15/03/2025 14:47

Bailamosse · 15/03/2025 14:41

It’s absolute disgraceful that this is being put forward as a solution in the UK in 2025.

Can you imagine it? "Good morning Mr Client. I'm Mrs Muslim and this is Miss Chaperone. She won't be doing any work (other than sticking to me like glue) but you will be paying for her time. Now, my ground rules for today are as follows......."

GelatinousDynamo · 15/03/2025 14:48

Terrribletwos · 15/03/2025 14:42

Did she tell you this at interview?

Yes. I know her old company, it's a bit of an "old boys' club", so I simply assumed it was because of her gender.

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StarDolphins · 15/03/2025 14:48

I know you possibly can’t op but I would say this is what’s required so either do it or leave.

presumably she must’ve known she would have to meet with clients and if you can’t do certain aspects of your role, it needs to be clearly mentioned at interview stage.

Terrribletwos · 15/03/2025 14:49

GelatinousDynamo · 15/03/2025 14:48

Yes. I know her old company, it's a bit of an "old boys' club", so I simply assumed it was because of her gender.

Ah, so you were misled?

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 14:50

OP does she usually WFH?
was she advised that she would need to attend client facing In person meetings?

GelatinousDynamo · 15/03/2025 14:50

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 14:43

Does she usually WFH?
Is this the first meeting she has had to attend?

We all come into the office 3 days per week, but she's never attended a meeting on her own until now. I've come along the first two times, because I wanted to see her "in action".

OP posts:
mudandgrass · 15/03/2025 14:50

Bailamosse · 15/03/2025 14:41

It’s absolute disgraceful that this is being put forward as a solution in the UK in 2025.

I know. And even aside of the unnecessary cost to the company, I would not be happy to have to chaperone for this reason snd waste my time doing this. I would still have my own workload which I would still have to do, and end up working later, to accommodate this.

GoodEnoughParents · 15/03/2025 14:50

sometimesmovingforwards · 15/03/2025 13:50

Could be a tricky subject.
But it’s unnecessary shit I’d not need in the workplace.
So I’d just ensure she didn’t pass probation and get her out, the quicker the better is easier.
Then I can get someone suitable rather than someone I have to pander to.
And learn from it for the future…

Edited

How do you learn from it? Not hire Muslim women, of which the variation/and choices re practice will differ? Or ask them during interview which is a dangerous line?

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 14:51

GelatinousDynamo · 15/03/2025 14:48

Yes. I know her old company, it's a bit of an "old boys' club", so I simply assumed it was because of her gender.

An”old boy’s club”

and it didn’t occur to you for a minute that it might be because she’s a strict Muslim?

Terrribletwos · 15/03/2025 14:52

GoodEnoughParents · 15/03/2025 14:50

How do you learn from it? Not hire Muslim women, of which the variation/and choices re practice will differ? Or ask them during interview which is a dangerous line?

Yes, good point. Damned if you do, etc.

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 14:52

GelatinousDynamo · 15/03/2025 14:50

We all come into the office 3 days per week, but she's never attended a meeting on her own until now. I've come along the first two times, because I wanted to see her "in action".

And how did she perform?

would you be sorry if she was no longer in the team? Was she delivering value?

Trolleysaregoodforemployment · 15/03/2025 14:52

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 14:51

An”old boy’s club”

and it didn’t occur to you for a minute that it might be because she’s a strict Muslim?

Who cares if she is a strict muslim. She was hired to a role and is now saying she can't do a core element of it.

Growlybear83 · 15/03/2025 14:53

Of course you can’t force the woman to do something that her religion forbids. If she’s a devout Muslim, then it would have been obvious when she was interviewed thst she was religious, and I don’t think it’s at all reasonable to expect her to put herself in this position.

Hwi · 15/03/2025 14:53

This is not just about you and her - this is about other people having to pick up her job as well. Not on. But be careful - very often these people are very litigious.

AyeDeadOn · 15/03/2025 14:53

I don't know where you stand legally but in my opinion it's akin to taking a job where weekend and Christmas day work is required and then refusing to work any Sundays or Christmas day because of your religion. Ridiculous behaviour.

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 14:53

Trolleysaregoodforemployment · 15/03/2025 14:52

Who cares if she is a strict muslim. She was hired to a role and is now saying she can't do a core element of it.

Yes I agree

It was just the idea the OP didn’t think that it could be for any other reason than gender that an “old boys club” would discriminate

mugglewump · 15/03/2025 14:54

lunar1 · 15/03/2025 13:43

If she didn’t make you aware of this at interview I’d find a way for her to not work for you anymore. She can’t apply for a job she can’t meet the needs of.

Several posts declaring that if she didn't specify this in interview, then you don't need to accommodate her requirements. Surely, by turning up to a job interview in modest, Muslim appropriate dress (no ankles, wrists, shoulders or collar bone showing) and her hair covered, you should know her religious requirements? She was clearly the best candidate forthe job or you would not have employed her, so accommodate her needs.