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AIU to ask what you think this decision will be?

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FurFangsPawsAndClaws · 13/03/2025 22:27

My son is autistic and got into some trouble at work and was suspended. We suspected he was autistic at the time but were awaiting a diagnosis, his employer didn’t know this.
He worked in a position of responsibility so it wasn’t just a simple suspension, there has been an investigation and the possibility he might not be able to return to work.

I can’t give many details as it is very outing but basically he had been teased by some other men he worked with for a long time and had been taking it very personally and it had been upsetting him. He is a different race and most of the comments had been around that, he has faced a lot of proper bullying in the past over his race and is very sensitive with diagnosed PTSD.
One day one man kept winding him up and laughing at him getting angry and my son ended up snapping and shouting at this colleague to leave him alone and came across as aggressive and scared his colleagues. There was no physical violence but my son said he did lose his temper and had to stop himself from lashing out, there could have been members of the public present but luckily there wasn’t - the possibility of it though is what contributed highly in the suspension.

He was suspended whilst it was investigated and has been very very depressed whilst this has been going on, he has a strong sense of justice and he has struggled with how unfair it seems to him. The man that was teasing him is still working there and very much just of the attitude it was “lad bantz” other colleagues have said similar.
DS has become a shell of his former self and replays everything in his head constantly, I spend hours going through everything with him.
We have been to the doctor and he has been referred to counselling today and the doctor took him seriously and he was feeling a bit more positive about the future, then he realised he had received a letter from his employer.

I was under the impression that there would be a meeting to discuss the decision to let him return to work with him present, I have also accompanied him at some meetings following the incident and was expecting to be allowed to be present to support him and help him understand things and process them afterwards.
We have both been waiting for a date for the meeting and it’s been a few weeks now.

The letter in an email today states that the decision has been made about if he will return to work or not after a meeting in his absence, a decision letter will arrive by post tomorrow with supporting evidence.

Anyone who has an autistic loved one will know that this is like sheer torture for them, he is obsessing about what the answer might be and asking me constantly what I think, I have answered honestly that I’m not sure its positive as if he was being reinstated in his role then why wouldn’t they just email saying that? I didn’t realise that he had assumed it was good news and so I have devastated him saying that.

I know no one can possibly know what decision his employer has made but I just wanted to see where the majority of the vote lies, I know you can’t vote based on the small amount of information I’ve given about the incident but I am more interested about what people think the likelihood is that he will be allowed to return to work or not? I don’t know if I should be offering hope or trying to be realistic, but I could be completely wrong in assuming that it’s a no because he’s been told in writing.

My DS hasn’t wanted anyone else to know about this so I’ve literally been the only support he’s had over it and it’s been exhausting, I feel like I’m walking in a minefield, I wanted to post just to get an outside perspective for once, it’s consumed him so much that I’ve had to give constant support and I’m struggling to know what to do for the best. He won’t sleep tonight so I’ve got hours ahead where I don’t know if I should be trying to prepare him or letting him hope for tonight.

Vote is: YABU - he will be given his job back.
YANBU - unfortunately it seems his suspension is permanent.

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Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 13/03/2025 22:32

I feel for you OP, but honestly no one here can possibly predict with any accuracy what will happen. I’m afraid you have to wait until tomorrow.

I really think your best bet is to plan as if he is not being allowed to return to work - and after processing the initial emotions you and your son should take a step back and see that this may be for the best long term. It sounds like a poor working environment if racist comments and upsetting jokes can be dismissed as ‘banter’. Your son deserves to work in a better place. So help him pick himself up and see that.

FurFangsPawsAndClaws · 13/03/2025 22:41

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 13/03/2025 22:32

I feel for you OP, but honestly no one here can possibly predict with any accuracy what will happen. I’m afraid you have to wait until tomorrow.

I really think your best bet is to plan as if he is not being allowed to return to work - and after processing the initial emotions you and your son should take a step back and see that this may be for the best long term. It sounds like a poor working environment if racist comments and upsetting jokes can be dismissed as ‘banter’. Your son deserves to work in a better place. So help him pick himself up and see that.

Thank you so much, I know it seems silly to ask what others think when they can’t possibly answer but I am quite a pessimist (I prefer to think realistic) person and he was so convinced that it was going to be good news tomorrow that I wondered if I was wrong to just assume based on the letter it wasn’t.

I agree it’s an awful place to work and was encouraging him to leave for a long time. I don’t think it’s even about him wanting to return to work now though, it’s the fact that he feels the injustice strongly and hates the fact men who bullied him are still working and he’s been punished.

I will have to try to get some more support in place and help him explore other career options, I’m a bit shocked he wasn’t given a chance to put his side across and give an explanation in the meeting.

Thank you so much for being kind, I was worried about posting and getting the snide comments you often see on AIBU, I just didn’t know who else to run it by when DS doesn’t want anyone to know.

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Justme2023123 · 13/03/2025 22:44

I would have expected them to ring him if it was positive news, sorry OP.

FurFangsPawsAndClaws · 13/03/2025 22:46

Justme2023123 · 13/03/2025 22:44

I would have expected them to ring him if it was positive news, sorry OP.

I did think the same to be honest 😔

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Fraaances · 13/03/2025 22:48

Can’t guess the outcome, but it sounds like you have a pretty good case for workplace bullying and harrassment.

oviraptor21 · 13/03/2025 22:50

Whilst not knowing all the details, it doesn't sound like this has been handled in a fair way and your son may have a case for unfair dismissal - if he is indeed dismissed and/or discrimination.

Take a look at the advice on ACAS and Citizens Advice websites and maybe consider giving them a call if needed.

CostcoBuns · 13/03/2025 22:50

If he dismissed, it sounds like constructive dismissal. I suggest you contact ACAS.

meganorks · 13/03/2025 22:51

Yeah I don't think they would be sending out a formal letter with evidence if it was positive news - sorry.
He could potentially try and take them to court for racist bullying. But it would be expensive and time consuming and wouldn't get him his job back. It would essentially only be worth it if he were to win some compensation. But losing might make his situation even worse. And if the incident itself is enough to get him fired, I'm not sure he would win.

Itiswhysofew · 13/03/2025 23:04

I'd say it depends on how they generally operate. Are they a particularly formal company? Maybe they prefer to communicate in writing only, especially regarding

Has your DS informed the company of the abuse he has been on the receiving end of? Is there another member of staff who has witnessed the bullying and can inform the relevant person?

Clarinet1 · 13/03/2025 23:06

I’m sorry you and your son are going through this. I’ve had some bad times at work myself. It sounds as though your son was pushed and pushed until he finally snapped and he shouldn’t have had to put up with that. It also sounds as though there should have been an investigation into the whole thing and your son should not be the only one to face consequences.
I wonder whether they may offer him what’s called a compromise agreement whereby your son agrees to leave and not take further action in return for an agreed payment (usually a certain multiple of months’ pay). If they do this, they must insist he gets independent legal advice before he accepts the agreement and pay for it (or at least contribute to the cost).
I don’t know much about autism but I imagine it makes it harder for your son to understand that other people may not make the right decisions for the right reasons - does it seem to him that if he loses his job he must be terrible at it and not that he may have been wrongly treated?
In any case, I hope both find a way through.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 14/03/2025 00:04

I've been in this situation, op. Along with other shitty circumstances, it's taken years to recover

The people he works with are racist. Black people specifically get a rep for being strong and aggressive. Black people aren't aggressive by nature, and the ones you meet who take no nonsense, are that way because of circumstances like this

The men he was working with are racist. They read the headlines and form bigoted opinions and take their anger out on a black person that they identify as being weak

I say Black, because of your comments re aggressiveness, so apologise if I've got the wrong race

I think yanbu and he has been let go. I think that you could write up everything that has happened and apply for unfair dismissal but the main priority has to be your sons mental health and understanding of his autism

I'm so sorry he's going through this. People are nasty. Just when you think you've seen the worst in humans, they do something to prove you haven't.

Best of luck to him. I'd suggest going to the doc and staring a uc and pip claim whilst he recovers from the traumatic events he's had to deal with

❤️

Wordau · 14/03/2025 00:32

Employers have a duty to make reasonable adjustments for people with disabilities and that should count your son. It doesn't matter if it was disclosed at the time or not.

You could have a case for discrimination here. On race and disability grounds. I would seek advice on this.

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