I'm trying to flood the 'net with this

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Share this, let's get rid of breeders once and for all, (add whatever you want).. 'A good Rescue centre will study their dogs and cats, whether it be by the staff or the foster furparents, (Dog's trust and Many Tears Rescue do this) they can tell a prospective owner whether the dog/cat they'd like to adopt is good with other dogs, cats, kids or is best as the only pet is the house, would a breeder do that, my arse would they. The Romanian rescues do not generally carry out securiity checks or ask if you work all day (which is a good thing of course but can deter folks who live in flats from approaching them), my son and DIL have a gorgeous dog from such a charity (these don't have actual charity status but that's what they are) I've had a stand off with a breeder over the orchards near me, who considered herself 'caring and responsible', when I confronted her with the stuff I've put here she had no defence and slung her hook'.

Breeders usually sell puppies so they can’t know if they’re good with other dogs etc as they’re too young. Are you suggesting charities/ rescue centres also breed dogs? Otherwise where are the future dogs going to come from? What about the top pedigree dogs like the once’s at crufts? This isn’t the answer. How would you stop black market breeding?

the answer surely lies in better regulation and registration. Only registered breeders can breed and only registered keepers can keep a dog. But who on earth would regulate this? Even if people had to pay for a licence to keep one, the cost of regulating this would be more than the amount made from the license fee.

I couldn’t understand the point of your post but I am also not a fan of dog breeders and how it ‘works’ today. I think it’s irresponsible and not enough vetting goes into the process of buying a dog. I think it’s a risk to adopt a dog from outside the UK if you haven’t met it (and even then it’s still potentially a risk) and people need to be really careful and sensible.

Although I don't disagree with the sentiment of what you're saying, this kind of thing makes me cringe. "Let's flood the Internet with this", "99% of my friends won't read this...", "copy and paste to your status if you care..."

You lost me at “foster furparents”

anyway YABU for flooding the internet with this garbage

Not everyone wants a rescue. And while I believe personally that selling animals for profit should be illegal, which would shut down the puppy farming industry overnight. Rescues aren’t the answer and this has become a trade in itself. With so called rescue charities shipping in dogs from abroad (something which I personally think should also be illegal).

And controversial as this may sound, there’s a lot of talk that Many tears are in league with the puppy farming trade.

No thanks, both breeders and rescues have their place.

I don’t understand your post but are you encouraging people to use Romanian rescues?

are you kidding?

there are thousands of unwanted animals in this country without shipping them in from overseas. Do you actually realise that animals are being bred overseas for the specific purpose of bringing them here. Others have massive social problems because they are street animals, not used to or happy being stuck in a flat.

im astonished at your naivety.

This. Posts like this only reach the people who are interested in them anyway, and have similar views. They don't change anything.

Importing dogs from abroad needs to be banned.

Trying to make sense of this stream of conscienceness was hard at 6.30am.
It would have been easier to write:
'Don't buy from dog breeders, but do buy from a charity that isn't really a charity', whivh is rather Oxymoronic - there are good and bad in each camp.

The point is?

I really dislike the 'copy and paste this' mentality. Please write in your own words! Don't just blindly copy and paste anything. Use your God-given brain and intelligence. Even if you 100% agree, write in your own words. Nothing is more off-putting than this mindless churning out of copied posts (often with original grammatical and spelling errors).

Breading needs to be regulated and expensive to pursue to put most people except those who can properly invest in it off doing it and price people who cant afford pets out.

There should be a yearly registration fee for owning a pet (phased in) to fund better regulation of breeding/pet ownership.

When we were ready to introduce a dog to our family we had a cat and primary aged dc.

No rescues were suitable for our setup, and frankly I wouldn't trust a dog with an unknown history. A puppy I could train and know from the get go.

Rescues don't always get it right (look at that RSPCA rescued dog that ripped its new owners arm off) and I was put off from the rescue puppies available often being unsuitable breeds for young families, pitbull faces, doberman/ german shepherd/ malinois/ American bulldog / rottweiler mixes.

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No, rescues are there for a reason. It's nearly always their behaviour that's an issue.

Recent changes to the Dangerous Dogs Act means that you can now be prosecuted even if your dog doesn't actually do anything, someone just has to think it might. Taking on a dog with unknown history, unknown triggers, is a very naive thing to do now.

Your "rescue" is a potential criminal conviction.

The days of "rescuing" some poor neglected, abused dog are over. The legislation has ended all that.

If you want to 'flood the internet' you're going to need a short and sweet sound bite like 'adopt don't shop' which has already been done.

There are simply too many "problem animals" in rescues and not enough happy, easy, well socialised kittens and puppies that are ready to be good family pets.

Even if you get a kitten from a rescue it can be hard work. My sister got two kittens from a well regarded local rescue. Mum was semi feral so the kittens weren't exposed to people until later than a kitten from a breeder. The rescue had them in foster with a lady who had too many cats to spend enough time intensively handling/socialising the kittens thoroughly & they were not used to children. The rescue wouldn't let them go until 12 weeks and insisted on 2 kittens only, not 1.

This meant a) the kittens were not well socialised - it helps if kittens come from a socialised mother and many rescue kittens don't. b) at 12 weeks it was almost too late for my sister to well socialise them to people. c) the kittens bonded to each other more than the people around them.

My sister & her family are brilliant with timid cats but it took years of work for the cats to be comfortable with her family, and only improved when one died aged 18m and then the other became more sociable. The cat still hides from most visitors.

We got one kitten from a local lady who's cat had an accidental litter. It was a moggy given to us free, she just wanted good homes for them. We got it at 9 weeks. It had lived in a family home with children around and had been well socialised as a result, was happy being stroked & picked up by our children from the outset and still loves them as an adult.

Its worse with dogs. I know lots of people who've had rescue dogs and they ALL have some degree of issues, they are reactive, have health issues, or have traits like guarding or excessive barking that mean they are poor pets.

Not sure what you are trying to flood the net with - get a Romanian rescue? Absolutely not. Too many half trained dogs not been looked after properly, rescues already full but without homes that are dog appropriate so get a half feral dog from Romania which have been taken from the streets. Once that situation goes pear shaped it ends up on UK rescues picking up the pieces.

Romania rescues only exist to make money - absolutely no real concern for the dog at all.

I think you will find that people who put research into the most suitable breed for them, select a breeder and wait a year or two for their puppy are not going to toss them away like a disposable toy. People who get puppies and dogs on a whim on the other hand tend not to stick with them when they become an inconvenience.

A good breeder cares for their animals and will always take them back if circumstances change. They will be honest about the temperament of the breed and if they are not suitable for your lifestyle, including kids, cats etc

Puppy farmers should be outlawed. They don't care about their animals and purely breed to produce puppies.

Rescues are a mixed bag (I know friends who have been given reactive dogs with no disclosure from the rescue) and they are not immune from impulse purchases.

Very expensive licensing laws and compulsory time consuming dog training courses. If you don’t have the time or the money, you are not suitable to own a dog. Cut off the market and breeders would stop. The ‘rescues’ from abroad are probably far worse than many home grown breeders. So stopping uk breeders without doing anything about the demand for dogs would not help.

There was a post very recently from someone who’d adopted from Romania and was struggling with an aggressive dog with behavioural problems she couldn’t solve, despite a lot of effort and expense, and was faced with the horrible prospect of having to PTS. A lot of other people chimed in with similar stories. One of my neighbours adopted from there, and although she loved the dog, it also had very problematic behaviours and I know if she could have turned the clock back she wouldn’t have gone ahead with it.

These rescues are dealing mainly in street dogs. A lot of them don’t seem to do any checks at all and will happily sell you animals that shouldn’t be in family homes. And it is selling. There are obviously some unscrupulous people involved. Not to mention the madness of importing dogs to the UK where we already have plenty of unwanted animals waiting for adoption.

YABVU to be encouraging people to adopt from overseas.

If that’s even the point of this post - couldn’t quite work out the meaning of what you’ve written other than you’ve got beef with a neighbour who’s a breeder and you somehow think this post is going to end dog breeding?!

It's the breeders breeding Mongrels and giving them a fancy name and charging a fortune, what happened to pure breeds

It's not as simple as get a rescue dog instead of a puppy from a breeder.

Many rescue dogs have behavioural problems caused by trauma which doesn't always present when in the rescue and only becomes apparent when in their new home.

I have met quite a lot of people with rescue dogs who have a dog that is completely unsuitable foe them and they are in the awful position of not wanting to give the dog up because of the stigma of returning it to the rescue but the dog is so reactive they can't enjoy taking the dog out etc.

Flood the internet with what exactly? I've read some pretty incoherent threads this morning but this one takes 1st prize.

We had 2 rescue dogs. This first couldnt settle, he was rehomed as good with children and cats, whether this was the cause of him being so unsettled, i dont know for certain, but im confident it was. Keeping that dog would have been unfair on him, he was anxious, scared all the time, and not a good fit, we returned him to the rescue centre after a month of trying with him in the home he would be rehomed to a more suitablle environment. We then got a second, who, after 3 weeks of seeming like a good fit, randomly out of no where bit my mum to the point she needed surgery and never regained full range of motion in her hand. We returned him to the rescue. We then didnt bother again, instead rehomed a lovely 2 years old collie from a family who were moving abroad, and since then have gotten puppies from reputable breeders. But my experience of recues has maybe unfairly be tainted, but i would never risk my children around a rescued dog whos history you do not know 100%. Breeders have a place.

What?

Do you mean get rid of all breeders?

Where are new dogs going to come from? Labradors? German shepherds? Poodles? Or do you mean get rid of disreputable breeders? Bring in a licensing system? Tell people to try their local rescue centre first?

Whatever point you’re trying to make it isn’t clear or thought through. (To say the least).