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To think this is the beginning of the end for Reform

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PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:06

Eight months in and the Reform UK Parliamentary party is disintegrating. Lowe has now had the whip removed.

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PandoraSox · 08/03/2025 12:23

Well they are calling each other liars, so it is true that it is not very "civil" 😉

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TooBigForMyBoots · 08/03/2025 12:36

Is Reform UK still one of Farage's companies or is it a proper party now?

PandoraSox · 08/03/2025 12:46

It is still a PLC on Companies House, but didn't Farage say it belongs to the members now, or something like that.

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LongDarkTeatime · 08/03/2025 12:51

DuncinToffee · 08/03/2025 12:09

There is no civil war

Is that like ‘Peace in our time”? 😂

User1786 · 08/03/2025 15:39

well I how you are right but I don’t think reform care about this like that, they seem to be more like Trump voters in that respect unfortunately.

IdaGlossop · 08/03/2025 15:45

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/03/2025 12:36

Is Reform UK still one of Farage's companies or is it a proper party now?

Here's something I found out today on X. Farage and Yusuf registered a new company, Reform UK 2025 Ltd, on 18 February. The announcement by Farage that the party now belongs to the members is whitewash.

PandoraSox · 08/03/2025 21:28

Farage v Lowe continues:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/08/reform-has-an-election-to-win-cant-afford-to-waste-time/

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Chuchoter · 10/03/2025 11:23

Rupert is a lovely man and is innocent of any wrongdoing.

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PandoraSox · 10/03/2025 11:46

Chuchoter · 10/03/2025 11:23

Rupert is a lovely man and is innocent of any wrongdoing.

He may be innocent of the accusations Farage and co. have thrown at him, but he is not a lovely man!

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Chuchoter · 10/03/2025 19:39

Sky news -

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Chuchoter · 10/03/2025 19:39

@PandoraSox I know him and he is indeed a very lovely man.

Middleagedstriker · 10/03/2025 19:51

Chuchoter · 10/03/2025 19:39

@PandoraSox I know him and he is indeed a very lovely man.

Is he though? Really? I mean he joined and represented a party that is filled with misogynists and racists. Is that what lovely men do?

DuncinToffee · 11/03/2025 13:25

Lovely man

NEW: Met Police launches investigation into former Reform MP Rupert Lowe over allegations he verbally abused party chair Zia Yusuf, threatening in December to slit his throat. Lowe denies claims.

DuncinToffee · 13/03/2025 09:52

Did someone say free speech?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/uk-politics/reform-uk-organisers-members-threatened-dismissal-media/

Regional organisers and members of Reform have been told they are forbidden from speaking to the media or they will be dismissed by the party, LBC has learnt.

ItisIbeserk · 13/03/2025 09:54

Not even members allowed to speak to the press? Wow. There’s a foreshadowing of the sort of government Reform would give us.

BIossomtoes · 13/03/2025 09:56

It’s the Nige show. Surely nobody’s surprised?

BeHere · 13/03/2025 10:04

More extreme political parties tend to struggle with this sort of damaging infighting. It's the People's Front of Judea. There seems to be a correlation between being more at the fringe and being unwilling or unable to cohere and stick to party discipline.

PandoraSox · 13/03/2025 10:14

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Dotjones · 13/03/2025 10:32

I'm not sure what the source of that document is but assuming it's reliable, washing your dirty laundry in public isn't a great response to a complaint about washing your dirty laundry in public.

Reform's collapsing, it never had a solid foundation. Fringe movements become mainstream by learning from their mistakes. Look at the Scottish nationalists, it took years to get to a position of dominance in Scottish politics - years of lobbying and failing to even get a Scottish parliament, let alone then moving into a position of dominance within it.

As with any fringe political movement it's a case of trial and error. New parties rarely appear from nothing and take power in a few years, it takes decades and usually takes a lot of collapses and rebuilds to get something that is palatable enough for the middleground voter as well as the hardcore faithful.

As the SNP example shows, a movement needs to groom the electorate over a number of years to take power. The grooming needs to start when children are very young, well before they are old enough to vote. (The EU is another successful example, I was groomed by them in the 1980s and didn't even realise it for years.)

For the hard right to take power in a couple of decades, they need to start grooming young people now. There's evidence of that happening of course with the number of children who got involved in the rioting and torching of hotels that housed immigrants last year, but that's not a sustainable tactic because any right-thinking person will be turned off by this kind of violence. Those tactics don't work in the present environment - they worked in the past and may work again in the future, but they definitely don't work today.

If the far right want to take power what is really needed is to take the left's example and get right-wing grooming into schools, into the curriculum. Shape young minds before they have the capability to think for themselves, that way when they are old enough to vote the choice won't be left versus right, it will be moderate-to-hard right versus far right, much like the present American system.

Above all, egos need to be thrown aside. Whoever represents the movement today needs to accept they are only an interim politician who will not be around when political success arrives, if it ever does.

It's a long term project. That's something that goes against the grain in modern politics, everything is about the immediate term. That, though, is precisely why the longterm grooming tactic works. While mainstream parties are fighting over the day to day, one with a longer term plan can build their support, hidden in plain sight.

WhatIsCorndogs · 13/03/2025 10:52

I don't have anything to add but I hope it is the end for reform. I've actually just joined a campaign group to help stop them. They are disgusting.

Jalen223 · 13/03/2025 10:54

Chuchoter · 10/03/2025 19:39

@PandoraSox I know him and he is indeed a very lovely man.

Hello Lowe, I’ve seen your revolting posts on X. You’re not a lovely man

BarbaricYawp · 13/03/2025 11:04

I really worry about the far right in society but in Westminster they're a complete ship of fools, as is best evidenced by the hilarious interview Pat Mountain, then leader of UKIP, gave for Sky News in the run up to the 2019 election. I've seen it loads of times but it still makes me laugh and laugh.

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Crikeyalmighty · 13/03/2025 11:05

Whilst we have a population that can’t actually see a whole picture and want simplistic solutions to complicated issues plus a massive pile of pensioners to sell bullshit too by seeing stuff through rose tinted glasses then there’s always sadly room for charlatans like Farage and co - I’m not a ‘massive lefty’ by the way - very much ‘in the middle’ -

PandoraSox · 13/03/2025 11:19

The letter is posted on Lowe's Twitter account @Dotjones Reform is very much washing its dirty linen in public.

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NellieJean · 13/03/2025 11:24

Reform has a future so long as there enough people who want simple answers to complicated issues and mire expenditure on the things they like with lower taxation.

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