Our children should not be able to get advice on DIY Transgender HRT from Reddit. Like this 13 year old.

[ThePeppyMoose]

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1j50v5p/should_i_stop_hrt/

This is just an example. How is this legal?

’The usuals’ 😂. Yeah it’s wild how many people, parents, don’t agree with telling non gender conforming children, a lot displaying autistic traits that they are the opposite sex (which they aren’t and never will be). How dare they not put them onto irreversible medical pathways with potential disastrous consequences.

Its quiet because the majority of people have returned to sanity island, are over being told to ‘be kind’ and understand the absurdity rabid gender ideology can bring and the dire consequences of letting boundary trampling men say they’re women. It’s the few who continue to pop up wailing ‘transphobia, echo chamber!’ without any back up, explanation, example. Wash rinse repeat.

Thank fuck for the ones who can back up what they say. Or ‘having the same conversation’ as you put it.

But the vast majority of parents don’t know or understand.

That description, @ThePeppyMoose , particularly emphasises the ridiculousness of calling MN an echo chamber.

The accusations of being ganged up on, talked over jumped on fade into insignificance in comparison with being downvoted. Here all points of view, respectfully expressed, stand.

Any thoughts on 13 year olds receiving DIY HRT advice @Glitterknickerbockers?

What part of my post was funny given your laughing reaction? Is that all the TRA’s can muster these days in the absence of coherent and logical argument? (Ha ha).

The accusations of being ganged up on, talked over jumped on fade into insignificance in comparison with being downvoted. Here all points of view, respectfully expressed, stand.

Exactly. People who bang on about how wonderful Reddit is compared to Mumsnet always seem to miss that key element.

I tried Reddit for a few months but came off because of the atmosphere. It feels like wading through treacle on most topics and there's an angry aggressive undercurrent. My DC aren't allowed to have it as the advice is often hyper masculine - one trying to tell me steroids didn't make men aggressive and that I clearly didn't study science (longer nastier rant that actually proved my point). You literally can't tell people facts on there because there are so many fragile egos.

You literally can't tell people facts on there because there are so many fragile egos.

I agree. And people are really nasty, sneery and rude in the same way that people froth about on Mumsnet, to deflect from the fact that they don't have any decent arguments. If you are going against the prevailing view, like people often whinge about on MN, you will get downvoted or just summarily banned from a subreddit, sometimes even because they look at your history and don't like your posts in a different one.

Bullies love Reddit and it's perfect for them. Personally, I like being able to make my argument, and I'm not so thin skinned that I can't take people disagreeing with me and showing up any holes in that argument.

It is interesting how the world of work often seems very similar to Reddit. I have noticed a creep to it on here though - you can post a factual link and (I suspect bots) glaze over it and continue berating women for something. Posting links on here is a good litmus test for who is an actual person I think. Maybe I'm just not techy enough and AI can now read links and respond?

Children shouldn't have access to Reddit. I would think that was perfectly obvious. You're saying "surely it shouldn't be legal" while ignoring the age restrictions on social media. What else do you want?

Any thoughts on 13 year olds receiving DIY HRT advice @Glitterknickerbockers?

Obviously it's stupid. Shitty parents letting their children do stupid things and be exposed to harmful people is a tale as old as the internet itself. When I was a teenager it was Pro Ana and self harming chat rooms. It's got nothing to do with transgender people, it's got everything to do with SHIT PARENTS. It's impossible to ban every bad thing on the internet. Thats why people need to parent their children.

Your post is funny because you did exactly what I was saying the usual posters usually do. You (one of the usuals) turned up, posted all the same points as usual, accused me of not caring about womens rights which is incorrect, and called me a TRA which is also incorrect (having the same conversation for the 100th time) it's like FWR bingo and you got a full house.

Honestly it's hilarious that someone said this is what usually happens, then someone comes along, does exactly what was predicted and doesn't understand why it's funny so decides.its obviously TRA mocking. You couldn't make it up!

From the person whose only initial contribution to a topic was ‘where’s the regulars to all agree on a topic’ ‘it’s quiet without them’ blah blah without actually contributing to the topic in hand. And somehow manages to find offense when your two crap pointless posts are scrutinised.

Do you think if you’d just posted your first paragraph instead of looking to pick fights with ‘FWR regulars’ and falling over yourself to use the phrase ‘FWR bingo’ this dialogue would be happening?

You’re right, you can’t make it up. Just post about the topic the OP posted about and these interactions you hate but were clearly seeking wouldn’t happen. That’s what’s hilarious. Though what one finds hilarious is up for debate clearly.

Unfortunately many parents have no idea their children are exposed to all this stuff until it's too late.

It never went away but the tide has definitely turned and the gender woo grift has been well and truly exposed.

Sanity in believing biological reality is starting to return. Operation let them speak is doing its job

You could have just ignored it and scrolled on by instead of proving my point 👍

Clearly you haven't got bored like I initially assumed! Oh well. Maybe one day you will. I didn't engage in the post because I'm not interested, I just find the behaviour the FWR usuals display entertaining.

What is your opinion on shitty parents not protecting their children from harmful online content? Are they blameless here because it's all the genderists fault? This whole post can be summed up as shit parents don't protect their children from harmful online content.

Unfortunately many parents have no idea their children are exposed to all this stuff until it's too late.

Exactly.

It’s a discussion forum. Do you know how they work?

You were being sneary about those who all agree that gender ideology in the most part is negative for women and impressionable teens.

You pondered if those had got bored with gender chat as it was quiet (thus robbing you of your chance to sneer further).

No I’m not bored of gender chat, that’s why I responded, why would I be? Until the madness stops I’ll continue to debate it/agree with those who also understand basic fact and biology and want to retain single sex spaces, sports and leave kids the fuck alone.

Why that bothers you is anyone’s guess. Scraping the barrel for entertainment but it’s par for the course like the rest who pop up on FWR to complain about women discussing women’s rights. What part do you actually disagree with, out of interest? I was bored enough to respond to you though while I was getting my hair cut, granted.

Shit parents and genderists I would say. How much protection can a parent give a teenager and what they access on the internet? I’d imagine it’s quite difficult to keep tabs on even with privacy settings etc. I’ve no experience of parenting teenagers.

Undoubtedly - so the answer is the lock down/censor/dumb down absolutely everything because some people are ignorant/stupid?

Or perhaps it might be better to educate people?

It's also hardly 'proving your point' when I'm the only one who bothered to engage with you.

Has it not occurred to you that you have proven my point?

You have managed to bang on about women's rights on a thread about child safe guarding just because trans gender was mentioned.

You also say you have no experience of parenting teenagers so what useful points do you have to add to the discussion? I was doing all sorts online when I was 13, now I'm an adult and understand the danger of what I was accessing I'm horrified that my parents allowed it. My daughter is only a baby but when she's 13 she sure as hell won't be having unsupervised internet access. She won't be having a smart phone or internet access on her computer. Governments are talking about banning all social media for under 16's for a reason.

I’m no longer sure what your points actually are so I don’t know if I’m proving them (I don’t think I am though). I know that you hate when women agree with other women though on various points.

Your first post was this - ‘I'm surprised this thread is so quiet, is Mumsnet finally getting bored of posting the same thing over and over again in the gender wars?’

What did your post mentioning gender wars have to do with child safeguarding?

I also ‘banged on’ about impressionable teenagers and the effect gender ideology has on them, which is part of this thread.

Do you only get to comment if you have direct experience of something? What a bizarre take. I’ve never been raped or murdered but I could still muster up opinions on them. I have also been 13 at one point with access to the internet. You say your daughter is a baby so do YOU have experience of parenting teenagers yet?

Lock it down. People are stupid and don’t care. The average is is 100. Half the people you see In The street are 99 or less.

13 year olds should not have unfettered access to the internet, and when we are aware, we adults should not respond to children posting on the internet in the same way we respond to another adult.

There are already legal limits on using social media, they're just easy to get around because the enforcement on the platforms is minimal. Governments are talking about banning all social media for under 16's because it has had popular push for those wanting to blame social media for everything and it perpetuates the common refrain that the government is needed to solve problems, which benefits them

I'm on my 4th 13 year old, he doesn't have social media, but is still aware of all of this going on. Social media isn't the only place this type of thing is talked about where kids can access it.

Lock it down. People are stupid and don’t care. The average is is 100. Half the people you see In The street are 99 or less.

Locking it down requires people to do so. The people who would be locking it down and controlling it would be those in and working for the government. Do you think they understand and care enough to be trusted to do so? Do you think those in government may have a conflict of interest in controlling information and being seen as the solution to all problems?

I presume by 'the average is 100' that you mean IQ. 100 is the mean average for IQ tests because that how people make IQ tests. The different types of IQ tests are redone regularly so that 100 is the average for a particular age at a particular time. People are, on average, about 17 points higher than we were in the 1950s, depending on which data is used to compare, but the tests and scoring have been adjusted to accommodate for that to keep it at 100 average. 99 or even 90 isn't a poor IQ, and no IQ score says anything about whether or not someone cares or knows anything on a specific topic.

Why do you think that I hate it when women agree with other women? What an odd conclusion to come to. Half the population are going to have many things to agree on.

My points were that the same old posters are still saying the same old things many years on and surprisingly have not got bored of doing something you have proved this point. My other point was that the Reddit post being deleted is irrelevant, the thread would be about transgender people and the same old GC rhetoric by page 2 with the original starting post forgotten about. Also proven this one 👍

My post didn't mention child safe guarding because as previously mentioned, I'm not interested in the topic, it's quite simple, children who are groomed or harmed online have shit parents who have failed to protect them. It's an open and shut case. What interests me is the frothing over genderism that is incessant on MN. You clearly don't want to engage in conversation about the actual topic of safeguarding teenagers online, you want to make it about the genderists and women's rights. Another point proven. Thanks!

Your comment that you're "not interested in child protection" speaks volumes. Every adult who says such a thing should be ashamed of themselves - protecting children - even if it were their parents' fault - should concern all of us.

If you’re not interested in the topic why are you commenting?! 😂 And why are you asking me why I’m commenting on a thread about child safeguarding?! The thread is about a 13 year old on a forum called Transgender UK wanting to access HRT, and you are surprised when people want to discuss or ‘froth’ as you put it about Genderism - it’s LITERALLY WHAT IT’S ABOUT. Are you ok?!

The same old posters are saying the same old things because the same old shit is still happening when it comes to gender nonsense - which I’ll repeat again because you aren’t grasping this - IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. Child safeguarding includes safeguarding from gender ideology.

However if you hadn’t mentioned posters which wasn’t really relevant to the post in the first place, then said poster (note just one poster, me) wouldn’t have felt the need to to comment. So really, no point has been proven here. The regulars didn’t show up, I merely answered your point that you had to make twice before you got a bite. Also discussion evolves, of course it’s going to possibly discuss that Reddit forum in general. The clue is in the name.

Honestly, at this stage you’re making a tit of yourself.