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WWYD? Friend being very nasty about other friend. Step away?

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WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 16:40

Name changed for this. It’s long sorry!

I have been friends with a woman - let’s call her Nancy - for my entire life. We were close all the way through school and remained in contact as adults. Nancy very much likes to stick to a routine so I see her every week, on the same evening (relevant for needing suggestions on what to do)

Nancy has another friend, we will call her Edith, that she used to work with and has remained ‘friends’ with. Up until around Christmas time, I knew and had met Edith several times and would class her as a friend although we were maybe never really close.

Nancy spends a lot of time complaining about Edith. Well, Nancy spends a lot of time complaining about many people but Edith seems to be on the receiving end of most of it. She says Edith is very needy, says she resents having to spend so much time with her and how much she hates having to have lengthy conversations over text all the time with her etc. Nancy’s partner usually joins in with the Edith bashing too. Now, before I knew Edith very well, I would of course say to Nancy that nobody can force her to spend time with them and it’s perfectly acceptable to take a step back if you need to but Nancy doesn’t really listen to advice, I always thought she just needed to ‘vent’ about it to feel better. That’s fine, not my circus.

Around Christmas time, Edith lost a very close family member very suddenly and unexpectedly and naturally she was devastated. I started to spend much more time with Edith to support her and check in etc. So naturally, got to know her much better and we have become close. I have discovered that Edith is a wonderful person. She is thoughtful and insightful and very caring and intelligent. In my opinion, she has handled her situation gallantly. Edith never talks badly about anyone behind their backs, always giving people the benefit of the doubt.

Nancy has also been providing support to Edith but has done nothing but complain about it. She has actively contacted her every day, had her over to her house, spent loads of time with her and then consistently bitched about it. A real low point was when the hospice called Edith to say she could not visit her deceased relative because her ‘body has deteriorated too much’ - naturally Edith was devastated and told both me and Nancy about it. Nancy’s partner said to Nancy that it was “weird she is talking to you about her mom’s corpse” and “when is she going to be out of our lives” - Nancy told me this and I said he was being out of order.

I am started to dislike Nancy very much. And obviously I am wondering what gets said about me behind my back too. I would ordinarily want to take a step back from her but this is hard to do when her routine is so clockwork so I feel I need to say something - although I don’t want to make a big drama out of it.
What would you do?

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Iamallowedtodisagreewithyou · 06/03/2025 16:42

The very next time Nancy says something mean to you about Edith say "You do know that Edith is my friend don't you?"

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 16:42

Sorry, I forgot to mention, if I stop speaking to Nancy, because of the type of person Edith is she would want to try and smooth things over between us. I obviously cannot tell her about what is being said about her because she would be heartbroken and shouldn’t have to deal with that right now

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WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 16:44

Iamallowedtodisagreewithyou · 06/03/2025 16:42

The very next time Nancy says something mean to you about Edith say "You do know that Edith is my friend don't you?"

Yes so the last couple of times Nancy has even mentioned Edith’s name, I’ve jumped in straight away with something positive about her like “oh yes, I saw Edith the other day - she seems to be doing well doesn’t she? She said some nice things about you to me” or something along those lines and it seems to have stopped the bitchiness but I just don’t know if I can be friends with someone who is that two faced

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Maitri108 · 06/03/2025 16:44

And obviously I am wondering what gets said about me behind my back too

Don't worry, her and her bf will be badmouthing you as well.

Nancy is a nasty piece of work and I'd keep away from her.

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 16:47

Maitri108 · 06/03/2025 16:44

And obviously I am wondering what gets said about me behind my back too

Don't worry, her and her bf will be badmouthing you as well.

Nancy is a nasty piece of work and I'd keep away from her.

Yes I do think they are. They have quite a dysfunctional dynamic in my opinion, it feels like they spend much of their time talking about how other people are a burden to them but never actually speaking to the people upsetting them about it. Funnily enough, one of the people Nancy complains about the most is her boyfriend!

I won’t go in to the story but I know for definite they have at least once spoken about me this way but it was a while ago and I used to be a bit of a pushover so I let it slide. This all feeds in to why I think it’s best if I step away

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abricotine · 06/03/2025 16:49

Step away from Nancy and I would have to hint to Edith the reason is you find her a very negative and critical person about others.

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 16:51

abricotine · 06/03/2025 16:49

Step away from Nancy and I would have to hint to Edith the reason is you find her a very negative and critical person about others.

So I have actually hinted to Edith about this already but she is just so lovely that she will say “oh you know, Nancy has a lot going on right now - she is probably just venting” or “you know how difficult she finds things with her boyfriend- I don’t mind listening to her venting”

And the whole time I’m sitting there thinking I am so glad you don’t know what is being said

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WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 16:53

So how do I tell her I am stepping away? As said previously, I can’t just slope off with the communication because our meet ups are so regular. And the crazy thing is, I know that even if she didn’t want to see me she still would and complain about it because that’s what she does to Edith. Whatever I say or however I phrase it, it will be twisted by her and her boyfriend in some way I am sure. He is an extremely paranoid person and seems to think everyone else is manipulative

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Maitri108 · 06/03/2025 16:55

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 16:47

Yes I do think they are. They have quite a dysfunctional dynamic in my opinion, it feels like they spend much of their time talking about how other people are a burden to them but never actually speaking to the people upsetting them about it. Funnily enough, one of the people Nancy complains about the most is her boyfriend!

I won’t go in to the story but I know for definite they have at least once spoken about me this way but it was a while ago and I used to be a bit of a pushover so I let it slide. This all feeds in to why I think it’s best if I step away

Don't worry I know the type. They badmouth everyone including their partner. They're usually deeply unhappy and insecure individuals and I keep well away.

BlueRaincoat1 · 06/03/2025 16:55

It sounds like Edith is a nice person. If you feel like you don't want to give Nancy another chance (understandable) you may have to burn your bridges with her and say "this is hard for me to say, but I haven't been enjoying our meet ups as much recently, and think I would like us to spend some time apart for a while '.

Carry on with Edith. If Edith says Nancy is sad/ angry _ whatever nicely say to Edith that you are taking a hit of a break from Nancy, realise they are still friends, and would rather not get into it. Edith will probably be nice about it

OriginalUsername2 · 06/03/2025 16:56

I think it would do Nancy good to hear some feedback ie. she’s become a nasty piece of work and you don’t want to be around it anymore.

melonalone · 06/03/2025 16:59

You’ve two options really - be “busy” every day she is due to visit until she gets the hint, or, say no to her coming over and when she asks why tell her you’re sick of the Edith-bashing.

A word of caution - if you ditch Nancy and she blows up about this, Edith might ask you to smooth things over and if you choose not to you will probably end up with no friends left as Edith sounds too passive to actively pursue friendships with both of you, especially if Nancy makes it difficult for her. I would think twice before going to bat on Edith’s behalf - make sure you’re doing it for you.

Justcallmebebes · 06/03/2025 17:01

Dump Nancy and keep Edith. I had a group friend like this. Bitched about everyone behind their backs. It's toxic negativity at its worst

DPotter · 06/03/2025 17:02

To step away without rocking the boat - just start to make yourself unavailable on your usual evenings out. You could say anything to start with from you're feeling tired and need an early night. You can sign up for a class (Yoga / french conversation / anything. She can either join you (and her venting will be diluted) or her schedule will be too inflexible to re-jig your evenings out. Alternatively invite Edith to join you.

Bearing in mind Nancy will bad mouth you to Edith. So next time you see Edith - say "Bet Nancy has been venting about me missing our regular Tuesday evenings" and see what she says. Raise her awareness!

sprigatito · 06/03/2025 17:03

I would just say "I'm starting to feel uncomfortable with you running Edith down every time we meet. She's a friend of mine and it upsets me to hear you talk about her like that."

I would then be busy a couple of times when you would usually meet, as I don't like fixed commitments that become set in stone, but that's my preference - you should see her when you both want to, not feel locked into a routine because that's how one of you operates.

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 17:06

sprigatito · 06/03/2025 17:03

I would just say "I'm starting to feel uncomfortable with you running Edith down every time we meet. She's a friend of mine and it upsets me to hear you talk about her like that."

I would then be busy a couple of times when you would usually meet, as I don't like fixed commitments that become set in stone, but that's my preference - you should see her when you both want to, not feel locked into a routine because that's how one of you operates.

I would then be busy a couple of times when you would usually meet, as I don't like fixed commitments that become set in stone, but that's my preference - you should see her when you both want to, not feel locked into a routine because that's how one of you operates

I do agree with this, it’s not usually how I work but I usually just work around the other when I am happy to see them. Obviously that’s not becoming the case any more!

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TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 06/03/2025 17:06

norovirus this week
heavy cold poss covid
emergency dentist apt with cracking headache next week
family visitor
new gym habit
evening course….. you get the picture. You could go weeks and push it down to once a month. Let her latch onto someone else as a habit. pref not poor Edith

or as suggested.
Stand up, say I think I’m going to go home. I’ve asked you to stop badmouthing someone who is also my friend and you haven’t. It makes me think what you say about me behind my back and I’d rather go home. Enjoy your evening.

and run away very fast.

Endofyear · 06/03/2025 17:17

Bet Nancy is slagging you off to Edith too! I wouldn't want to be friends with someone like her and I'd just tell her why. If Edith asks, just say that Nancy isn't very nice about people and you're tired of it. You don't have to go into specifics. If Edith is such a good friend she'll respect your wishes.

PubicZirconia · 06/03/2025 17:22

Just a thought though...you've been friends with Nancy your 'entire life' so at some point you must have felt similar lovely things about her or why on earth would you see her EVERY week?

Sounds a bit more a 3s a crowd kind of thing to me - unless Nancy suddenly had a personality transplant.

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 17:36

PubicZirconia · 06/03/2025 17:22

Just a thought though...you've been friends with Nancy your 'entire life' so at some point you must have felt similar lovely things about her or why on earth would you see her EVERY week?

Sounds a bit more a 3s a crowd kind of thing to me - unless Nancy suddenly had a personality transplant.

Edited

It’s a good question, I think that I never read knew the people she complained about so I naively thought that she was just very unlucky with people. Also, it’s not like she spends the entire time we see each other complaining about people - there are often interesting conversations as well. And I guess you just fall in to a routine:

Getting to know Edith so well has really opened my eyes I think to how much she is capable of twisting things

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ALovelyShadeofMauve · 06/03/2025 17:40

Stop skirting around it. Next time you see her and she starts complaining about Edith, but her off and say, “Look, I’m fed up with sitting here every week listening to you moan about Edith. I like her and I don’t think she’s done anything wrong. If this is all we’re going to do when we meet up, I don’t see the point.”

It obviously won’t go down well, but nothing you could say about this would be the “right” thing, so you may as well be blunt.

LadyQuackBeth · 06/03/2025 17:56

What is she like when her boyfriend isn't there? It's even weirder for him to be so invested and bitchy about a partner's friend when he could easily just not see them. Do you get to see her on her own?

If she hasn't always been like this, there's hope. She could be doing it because her horribly insecure boyfriend is threatened by her having friends and this placates him. If that's the case, she's going to be very isolated when she finally comes to her senses.

I'd try and see her without him and say honestly that it's making you uncomfortable. Every time she mentions Nancy just say in a straightforward way that she doesnt have to see her if she doesn't want to.

treesandsun · 06/03/2025 17:58

Next time she says something - I would say you know Nancy you never seem to have a nice word to say about anyone and I wonder what you say about me behind my back because it is difficult to believe you don't say anything when you're horrible about others such as Edith. I don't know if you know how awful it comes across but it is really horrid. Poor Edith's mother died and you make a faux appearance of being supportive and then bitch about her later - it really puts me off you. She can either fall out with you or shape up.

My friend said something similar to someone she knows who was like that and the woman was aghast and denied she did it - however she did stop doing it as much, certainly around my friend.
I wouldn't meet her each week either. She will bitch about you but probably already does anyway,

If Edith asks just tell her that you have just grown apart and are different people now.

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 18:15

LadyQuackBeth · 06/03/2025 17:56

What is she like when her boyfriend isn't there? It's even weirder for him to be so invested and bitchy about a partner's friend when he could easily just not see them. Do you get to see her on her own?

If she hasn't always been like this, there's hope. She could be doing it because her horribly insecure boyfriend is threatened by her having friends and this placates him. If that's the case, she's going to be very isolated when she finally comes to her senses.

I'd try and see her without him and say honestly that it's making you uncomfortable. Every time she mentions Nancy just say in a straightforward way that she doesnt have to see her if she doesn't want to.

Right so I don’t ever see them together. I only see Nancy, but she repeats to me the things her boyfriend says (let’s call him Jim) “Jim said that Edith is out of order for x,y,z”
Im not sure if it’s Nancy or Jim who is perpetuating these types of conversations or if it’s both. Nancy has a tendency to dramatise so it could be that she is being over the top in telling Jim stuff and he is just looking out for her albeit in a clumsy and nasty way. Or, it’s Nancy saying something reasonably to Jim and it’s him that’s twisting it in to something more for whatever reason or it’s a bit of both.

The one thing I do know is that is not a happy relationship. If Jim knew half of what we knew about Nancy and what she says about Jim and about her past escapades I think he would be deeply shocked

As I say I think I have already stemmed the bitchiness towards Edith by jumping straight in with something positive when Nancy even so much as mentions her name but I still feel uncomfortable about the whole thing as well as being pretty certain I must get the same treatment

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MrsPeterHarris · 06/03/2025 19:09

BlueRaincoat1 · 06/03/2025 16:55

It sounds like Edith is a nice person. If you feel like you don't want to give Nancy another chance (understandable) you may have to burn your bridges with her and say "this is hard for me to say, but I haven't been enjoying our meet ups as much recently, and think I would like us to spend some time apart for a while '.

Carry on with Edith. If Edith says Nancy is sad/ angry _ whatever nicely say to Edith that you are taking a hit of a break from Nancy, realise they are still friends, and would rather not get into it. Edith will probably be nice about it

This is perfect!