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ethnic minority criminals to get special treatment in courts

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Tauranga · 05/03/2025 18:25

Two-tier justice’ as ethnic minority criminals to get special treatment in courts
Judges told to consider additional information on select group of offenders before passing sentence

Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary, said the guidance was “completely outrageous” and enshrined a “double standard,.. is set to have an anti-white and anti-Christian bias,” he said.
Shabana Mahmood, the Justice Secretary, wrote to the Sentencing Council urging it to reverse its changes to the guidance and registering her “displeasure”.

https://telegraph.co.uk/gift/40afc8c10d91acc1

Who is making these rules if not Labour or Conservatives? Both parties disagree with it, how is it happening?
Today's world is so confusing!

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JHound · 06/03/2025 10:20

Tauranga · 06/03/2025 09:42

I think what happens is, the judge gets a document about the person IF they fulfill one of the special traits, eg Trans, Woman, Ethnicity.

The document tells the judge about events in the persons life that may help the judge decide on the sentence.

Women usually have lots of things in their document as I mentioned.

You are correct, everyone should get a document prepared for the judge to read and then it would be fair, men and women.

The radio said that due to backlogs they cannot make one for everyone. This is clearly unfair.

Nope.

Try again.

Here from the article:

Other mitigating factors

Alongside ethnic background, the guidance says judges and magistrates should consider pre-sentence reports necessary if the offender was a woman, aged 18 to 25, at risk of their first jail sentence or a prison term of two years or less, pregnant or post-natal or the sole or primary carer for a dependent relative.”

Other factors included an offender disclosing that they were transgender, had an addiction to drugs or alcohol, a chronic health condition or were victims of domestic abuse, modern slavery or grooming.

It mentions factors such as criminal history, caring responsibilities, being pregnant / post-natal, nature of the crime, whether the prison term was two years or less, being groomed etc AS WELL AS merely being a woman.

So for the third time why is considering gender ok but not ethnicity?

Not other factors. Simply the fact of being a woman. Why are you ok with the fact somebody is simply a woman should be viewed as a mitigating factor?

SilkSquare · 06/03/2025 10:43

PattyDukeAstin · 05/03/2025 18:29

It's quite a day on MN today...lots of threads benefit bashing and now ethnic minorities...

It has been reported in several newspaper. Is it now "bashing" to refer to an ethic minority ?

It rather seems this is the case, why is why we this stupid schemes in the first place. in the first place.

It's also worth noting that this scheme will also include transsexuals-that is men who pretend to be women.

Is that transsexual bashing?

By making certain groups sacred cows with any valid criticism of them framed as "bashing" , free speech is silenced.

It is bollocks that ethnic minorities and transexuals need any special hearing in the courts. That needs repeating loudly for any numbskulls at the back.

Bish. Bash. Bosh!

Hellebora · 06/03/2025 17:42

Did you see that women are on that 'stupid scheme' too? What do you think about women 'needing any special hearing in the courts'? Is that bollocks too or are you only here to "bish bash bosh" your way into cherrypicking certain groups, like the 'numbskull at the back'?

SilkSquare · 06/03/2025 22:18

It would have saved a lot of hot air and ink if they had simply said the only group who won't have special hearings in the court will be white, straight men,

Ilikeblacklabsandicannotlie · 06/03/2025 22:23
  • @SilkSquare What part of the following verbatim quote from the guidelines precludes straight white men?
  • "has or may have any addiction issues
  • has or may have a serious chronic medical condition or physical disability, or mental ill health, learning disabilities (including developmental disorders and neurodiverse conditions) or brain injury/damage
  • or; the court considers that the offender is, or there is a risk that they may have been, a victim of:
  • domestic abuse, physical or sexual abuse, violent or threatening behaviour, coercive or controlling behaviour, economic, psychological, emotional or any other abuse
  • modern slavery or trafficking, or
  • coercion, grooming, intimidation or exploitation.
This is a non-exhaustive list and a PSR can still be necessary if the individual does not fall into one of these cohorts"
MasterBeth · 06/03/2025 22:50

New sentencing guidance means it will be "less likely" for ethnic minorities and faith minority communities to receive a custodial sentence.

Less likely than now when ethnic minorities are likely to receive disproportionately harsher sentences than white people.

Not less likely than white people.

Valeriekat · 07/03/2025 09:40

mbosnz · 05/03/2025 18:39

I'm interested in your username, Tauranga. Winston Peters, is that you? It's the kind of incendiary rubbish click bait he's always good for, back in NZ.

You are aware that he is Maori?

mbosnz · 08/03/2025 18:34

Valeriekat · 07/03/2025 09:40

You are aware that he is Maori?

LOL, yes, of course. In legal circles he has the nickname 'Luigi'. Apparently in times past he was not fond of being identified, or identifying as Maori, and alluded to a Mediterranean heritage. That was the tale anyway. . .

Teanbiscuits33 · 08/03/2025 18:47

It’s common knowledge that offenders from ethnic minority backgrounds often get harsher sentences than white offenders, that’s a fact. I don’t see a problem with taking things like this into consideration, if anything it strengthens equality across the board. Of course the far right are too thick to see this side of the coin and would deny that fact anyway so they can push their narrative.

Shoutinglagerlagerlager · 08/03/2025 19:04

I wish they’d been all this outrage in all the years that some ethnic received far harsher sentences and were disproportionately targeted by the police.

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