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How does one enter “The Establishment” - Orders, decorations, and medals

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Classdistinction · 04/03/2025 05:31

I would love any examples anyone can give. I am Canadian and after a vacation exploring the British isles, I’m well on my way to becoming an Anglophile

I have no interest in that scene but am fascinated by it as a pet project

To my question, how does one become accepted in those circles, rubbing shoulders with aristocracy, the elite old powerful influential international families, and the emerging young super rich who wield some power as new kids on the block due to immense wealth, how does one enter these circles without being a talented entertainer or athlete, basically without being the performing monkey singing for their supper

How significant are the secret societies in this

A lot of this in the UK framework will be rooted in class divides. I am not well versed, but I do acknowledge it’s important to understand that “entering the establishment” is a complex idea, and social mobility can manifest in various ways.

I’ll use an example everyone will hopefully recognise of a British working class woman who rose through the gatekeepers and was finally able to receive honours and appears to mix comfortably in these circles,

Dame Julie Walters
She came from a working-class background in Smethwick, near Birmingham.

She has become one of Britain's most beloved and respected actresses, with a long and successful career in film, television, and theatre.

She has received numerous awards, including BAFTAs, and was appointed a Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire (DBE) for her services to drama.

This is a good example of someone who through her own talents, and hard work, has reached the highest levels of recognition in the British society.
It is important to say that the concept of "entering the Aristocracy" is very different from gaining honors. The Aristocracy is a very specific group within the upper class. However, Dame Julie Walters is a very good example of a person who has come from a working class back ground to reach the highest levels of British society.

Which types of hoops might she have needed to jump through, apart from charitable causes and remaining scandal free.

Is elocution important in current times. Margaret Thatcher famously had elocution classes, as did Julie Walters. It seems to me, that sort of accent is dated and disappearing possibly

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SuddenFrisson · 05/03/2025 09:57

BIossomtoes · 05/03/2025 09:39

I couldn’t come up with my own examples of people who have actually done this

That’s because they’re as rare as rocking horse shit. The Establishment and aristocracy are two completely different things. It’s much easier to become part of the Establishment through a career in politics, journalism, law, finance, etc. Aristocracy, forget it, you’re born an aristocrat and that’s the only way in.

Someone I know, originally from a prosperous lower-middle-class background, did marry into the aristocracy, though absolutely to it being rare as rocking horse shit (an expression which should be used more!).

In her case I think key points that made it possible are — her job meant she was around the county set a lot so she’d naturalised into those circles to an extent; he’s much older, not particularly attractive, and had been previously married to and had children with someone very much from his ‘set’; by the time he married my acquaintance, she was too old to have children. But maybe the key thing is she’s not British, which slightly blurs class distinctions. She’s not as ‘placeable’.

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