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Anyone have Octopus Electricity?

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ExtremelyFedUpNow · 02/03/2025 22:06

I won't go into the full complaint (believe it or not this is the SHORT version!!) basically I had a smart meter installed by Octopus when I bought my house over a year and a half ago and it's been an F*ing nightmare ever since. Even though they were direct debiting monthly, I wasn't getting bills from Octopus. I called them to query this and was told 'not to worry', problems with the smart meter, it's all normal.
Months went by and then a year went by and then after about 13 months I was suddenly getting a flurry of emails from Octopus several times per day every single day for weeks. They were bills going right back to the first day the meter was fitted but the bills were repeating and giving different amounts owed.
As an example I received a bill for say 1 November 2023 to 1 December 2024 saying a owed (can't remember exact figure) £1,000 , then I get another email 30 seconds later saying I owed £89 for dates 9 July 2024 to 10 July 2024, then seconds later I get another bill saying I owed £357 for dates 11 July 2024 to 27 November 2024, then seconds later another bill saying they owe me £247, then seconds later another bill saying I owe £11 for 24 November 2024, then another bill seconds later..... and on and on it went for months. None of it made any sense and none of the figures added up.
I called them twice and was told their system was trying to sort it and to be patient. Meanwhile the monthly direct debits were coming out of my account but they didn't seem to match the dates on the bills and it was hard to work out what I actually owed because some bills were days, some were weeks, some were several months and they all overlapped with repeated bills for some days, weeks and months.

I started to email Octopus, as I wasn't getting anywhere with them by phone, and I said I wanted the constant back billing, repeated emails to stop and going forward I wanted to be billed monthly. They initially said they couldn't do that and that I would be billed per day. I've never heard of such a thing and insisted I wanted to be billed monthly. I continued to received constant emails of bills dating back from over a year ago. After weeks of emails I insisted on escalating to a manager and was told that I couldn't speak to a manager. After weeks of pushing I finally managed to get a manager to contact me. He said he would look into it and that it might take some time, it took several weeks. After much going back and forth the manager finally agreed that I could be billed monthly and he chose that my billing period would be the date of my direct debit (so if my direct debit is 5th of the month then I would be billed from 4th of month X to 5th of month Y, that means the day I receive the bill is also the date the money is direct debited from my bank. This made no sense to me but at least I finally had a monthly billing period which seemed to stop the repeated bills being emailed to me from the past year and I could better view what I actually owed and was paying for. It took them months to actually get the monthly billing into place and then it only lasted two months before I was told that they were changing my tariff for some reason.

I was offered £30 to close my complaint but that has never materialised.

Even though I have storage heaters and an electric hot water heating (which work overnight and uses a significant amount of electricity) they have changed me to a flat rate tariff. When I questioned this they responded the same day and said they didn't know what my electrical use was and questioned why I wanted to be on a cheaper overnight rate. :O How can Octopus not know what my usage is?

When I explained that 90%+ of my electrical use is overnight and included pictures of my usage charts from my Octopus account they suddenly went quiet and haven't responded. After waiting a week, and worrying about how much this new tariff is costing me, I emailed their complaints team and also their ceo (it says on their website to email him if you're having problems that are not getting resolved). Again I've had no response. I also haven't been billed for the past 6 weeks so it looks like I'm no longer being billed monthly?

WTF is going on?? I'm getting so fed up with all this and the hassle of having to contact them all the time to figure out what is happening with my account.
Has anyone else had similar problems? I keep hearing how amazing Octopus is but all I've had are problems.
I've heard there is no point in complaining to the Obudsman but I don't know what else to do. I want a monthly bill, not a bill every couple of days or every 3-4 months or repeated overlapping bills that cover 14 months. I don't understand why they can't bill me monthly. I also don't understand why I am not on a cheaper overnight tariff. I've turned my heating down to 14 degrees because I can't afford the flat rate tariff. What else can I do??

I'm thinking about changing suppliers but who to chose if Octopus are suppose to be the best out there how much worse are the other providers??

AIBU to want a monthly electric bill and an explanation as to why they changed my tariff to a flat rate?

(Apologies for the long email I'm so frustrated that it's been like therapy to write this all out :) Thanks for reading.)

OP posts:
FiveBarGate · 18/03/2025 21:51

@ExtremelyFedUpNow

I've never had storage heaters you can set the temperature on to a specific degree. Just an input and output dial you can adjust from 1-9.

Essentially they take in the same amount in terms of usage (varied a little by input dial) and you choose whether to let it out long and slow or at a higher temperature but the stored heat is used up quicker.

Have you looked up their instruction manual online if you don't have it?

Do you know what size they are? How many kWh were you using overnight previously and how many now? I would expect to see an impact of turning two off but it depends if anything else has changed.

Is this part of your original complaint about billing or a new complaint?

PeeJamas · 18/03/2025 21:59

OP do you have an online Octopus account?

If yes you can switch yourself to night time tarrif...

LovedFedAndNoonesDead · 19/03/2025 10:40

Plmnki · 18/03/2025 21:09

Sorry but … why did you not just complain to the ombudsman’s office.

Stop trying to engage with octopus, they are dicks, I thought I explained all this. Just send all your evidence to the ombudsmen who are terrific.

You have to go through the energy company’s complaints process and either

  • not reach a resolution you are happy with within 56 days
or
  • receive a letter of deadlock if under 56 days
then you can escalate the complaint to the ombudsman. Without either of the above happening before making the complain to the ombudsman, they will reject the complaint without even looking at it.
MemorableTrenchcoat · 19/03/2025 12:21

ExtremelyFedUpNow · 18/03/2025 21:14

I have no idea how my storage heaters have been set up and I'm not sure how to check it. I can control what time my hot water heater charges but I can't see a way to control the storage heater's charge.
After telling me the charging would change to the lower rate period and me asking them to prove this before I agreed to switch to economy7, Octopus came back to say they don't actually know if they can control my times or not so they suggested I hire an electrician.

Another confusing thing is despite me turning two storage heaters completely off and turning the other two down a few degrees, my charging initially dropped for 2-3 days before significantly increasing back to near where it was before I turned two off and lowered the temp. Now charging two radiators for 14 degrees is a similar kWh per night to when I had four radiators turned up to 16 degrees.
Can anyone please explain that one to me because I'm completely confused how that's possible.
I turned the two off and the other two down to save money but it's not actually saving me that much money.
The charging always starts at midnight and lasts for 4-5 hours. I would have thought the charging would have dropped significantly when I halved the number of radiators and lowered their output. I understand that sometimes the radiators 'pre-empt future output' which can affect charging, so I've left it a few weeks to monitor but I'm confused that the kWh is continuing to go up, not down. Where's the extra charge going?

For FYI, my radiators are set to come on at set time periods throughout the day, every day, and produce heat for a set amount of time (rather than maintain a certain temperature, so I would have thought the charging would be more consistent the way I'm doing it?). The ones that are off are always cold to touch and are not producing any heat at all that I'm aware of. I'm not aware that the two radiators turned on are producing heat outside of the times that I have set them to come on.

Are you using the terms storage heaters and radiators interchangeably? Are they the modern, programmable type, also known as HHR storage heaters, such as Dimplex Quantums?

ExtremelyFedUpNow · 19/03/2025 15:20

OP do you have an online Octopus account?
If yes you can switch yourself to night time tarrif...

Octopus kept saying this as well but I repeatedly asked 'how?' and they would just repeat what you said without actually explaining anything. There is nothing on my account that indicates any way of changing my own tariff. When I look up the various tariffs there is nothing that I can see which allows me to chose a particular tariff and switch myself to it. If there is a way to do it I don't know why they didn't explain on the several times I asked them.

Someone up thread said Octopus try to wear you down by sending random vague messages that are nowhere near helpful or even relevant but use language like 'Thank you for working with us on this issue it sounds frustrating for you. Apples equal oranges. Please let us know if we can help you further.' So it's as if they are appearing to respond to messages but they aren't actually answering questions or doing anything to help the situation or even saying anything that makes any sort of sense. So you have to reply back to re-ask your question, wait weeks, chase them, try to email Greg again, wait weeks, then 'Thank you for working with us on this issue it sounds frustrating for you. The sky is blue. Please let us know if we can help you further.' And again you have to email them back, express your continued frustration at the situation and re-ask your question. And Repeat.

They refused to send me a deadlock letter on the occasions that I asked for it because it was obvious to me a while back that nothing was going to get resolved. The times I said 'time is up' they would offer a resolution (like FINALLY agreeing to send me a monthly bill which I had been asking for and they continually refused), if they offer a resolution that seems to be what you're asking for, I believe the Ombudsman wants to see that you are trying to work with the company. Octopus said 'we agree to send you monthly bills' so I had to say 'ok' and wait to prove that they were not doing it before I could say 'you are still not sending me monthly bills' and then Octopus try to drag out the problem all over again. Octopus have not followed through with their resolution offers, I have a long history of this now. So Octopus seem very sneaky in trying to drag the situation out as long as they can and prevent you from being able to go to the Ombudsman or trying to wear you down so you will loose the will and accept whatever Octopus are doing to your account.
As Octopus have now said they have closed my complaint for some reason, I definitely do not feel anything has been resolved, so I believe I can now go to the Ombudsman. I started filling out the forms last night. Their process is going to take a while to complete because of all the detailed documentation they want photographed and attached. I am working significant overtime at work due to budget cuts (whole other thread!) and I'm trying to complete the complaint around working long, late hours. I was exhausted last night when I got home so I filled in as much of the form as I could and will try to do some more tonight, it might have to wait until the weekend to get finished (not a nice way to spend a day off but hopefully the Ombudsman can force Octopus to do what they promise).

Yes I had googled the instruction manual for my storage heaters, I will need to dig it out to find the model and size (I've printed it and stored it somewhere). I will try to put something together to show the before and after kWh usage. I'm confused why it dipped and then came back up after the two were turned off and the temp lowered on the other two. It wasn't what I had expected, I thought it would dip and stay low (cheaper) as using less.

Are you using the terms storage heaters and radiators interchangeably? Are they the modern, programmable type, also known as HHR storage heaters, such as Dimplex Quantums?

I think it was Dimplex Quantums as that sounds familiar, sorry not at home to check the manual at the moment.

OP posts:
BeaTwix · 19/03/2025 15:26

The Economy 7 signal is being turned off so I'm being forced to get a new smart meter which I have thus far resisted.

My flat (all electric) has a peak and off peak circuit. Off peak circuit only live during times set by meter.

I don't use it though as I changed the hot water cylinder away from it and have panel heaters (when they are on they are on & costing money) rather than storage heaters. My energy costs are low though thanks to good insulation and a childhood spent in draughty old houses.

burnoutbabe · 19/03/2025 17:06

I actually had an email saying - we have sorted out your night and day being the wrong way round. Sent me a new bill.

With the night and day still being the wrong way round. I have no idea why this is such a complex issue to resolve and why they say its fixed, then send me the wrong bills over and over. I keep saying i am raising this as an official complaint but that seems to do nothing (and emailed there issue resolve team)

luckily i can afford the DD they have put me on, but its very annoying!

MemorableTrenchcoat · 19/03/2025 17:22

Dimplex Quantums can be wired one of two ways. They can be wired the traditional way, i.e. via a separate circuit, energised by the meter during off-peak times. There is also a second, permanent supply to run the electronics. So, there are two cables. Alternatively, they can be connected, with a single cable, to the electricity supply, like any other appliance. It’s imperative that each storage heater is programmed to only charge up during the off-peak times. Since HHR storage heaters work to maintain the desired temperature, switching some of them off means the others may have to do additional work to compensate, which will eat into any savings.

Spooky2000 · 19/03/2025 17:29

I was going to swap to octopus. Don't think I'll bother now! 😆I'm with Eon next who are equally shit, btw. I had a similar problem to you, went to the Ombudsman - now all sorted out in my favour. I recommend you go to them.

FiveBarGate · 19/03/2025 17:52

MemorableTrenchcoat · 19/03/2025 17:22

Dimplex Quantums can be wired one of two ways. They can be wired the traditional way, i.e. via a separate circuit, energised by the meter during off-peak times. There is also a second, permanent supply to run the electronics. So, there are two cables. Alternatively, they can be connected, with a single cable, to the electricity supply, like any other appliance. It’s imperative that each storage heater is programmed to only charge up during the off-peak times. Since HHR storage heaters work to maintain the desired temperature, switching some of them off means the others may have to do additional work to compensate, which will eat into any savings.

Yes.

I don't say Octopus haven't confused other areas of your billing but I don't think the timing of your storage heaters is something you can put with them.

I thought your complaint previously was in part that you couldn't get onto E7 but now you seem to be on it? Is that why they've closed it?

I couldn't work out how to switch in app either but just phoned. They answer quickly and sort it there and then.

I think you need to be clear what is within the scope of your complaint.

burnoutbabe · 20/03/2025 11:38

I have been sent another bill for later period - wrong figures for opening position but at least correct for closing (ie so they were looking at my detailed tables)

Nothing seemed to have sparked any flafg that using -2000 night units and 5000 day was ODD.

Now have copied in "Greg" to my reseponse (with a detailed table of my readings versus their readings and where they have switched them and which are actually NOT TO BE CHANGED)

we shall see how this goes. Ombudsman i assume next though this seems such a stupid issue - like a typo - but then not double checking when you go to fix it!

burnoutbabe · 11/04/2025 15:21

I raised a complaint to the ombudsman now so hopefully it will be resolved. Though this week i stlll got a “we’re looking into it” email and today another statement that reverses everything from beginning of 2023 (that was fine) and switches around day and night for that earlier period too!

I assumed once the ombudsman was involved then maybe my account got flagged as a “don’t touch, leave for the special team” but clearly not!

Carriemac · 19/04/2025 00:11

Spooky2000 · 19/03/2025 17:29

I was going to swap to octopus. Don't think I'll bother now! 😆I'm with Eon next who are equally shit, btw. I had a similar problem to you, went to the Ombudsman - now all sorted out in my favour. I recommend you go to them.

never ever switch to octopus !

Nameychangington · 19/04/2025 07:32

Octopus have after 4 months finally sort of admitted that it was their fault I got overcharged £280 for electricity. They've offered me £110 in compensation.

Off to the ombudsman for me.

ExtremelyFedUpNow · 01/05/2025 21:48

Apologies work has been manic and I haven't been able to log on.

@BeaTwix It seems unfair that people are forced into the smart meters when it seems pretty clear there are huge problems with them. Get ready for a lot of hassle heading your way. 😞

@Spooky2000 All I can say is my experience with Octopus has been a nightmare but I don't know if any of the other companies are any better which is why I haven't switched.

I thought your complaint previously was in part that you couldn't get onto E7 but now you seem to be on it? Is that why they've closed it?

No I am not on E7, I've asked numerous times but it hasn't happened. My complaint was about not getting onto E7 and also about my billing being constantly messed up and unclear. I wanted to be billed monthly but they don't seem capable of that. I have no idea why Octopus closed my complaint. They said I accepted an offer of £30 compensation but nothing has ever been paid to me so I don't know how they've worked that one out.

@burnoutbabe Good luck with your complaint! After I escalated my complaint Octopus suddenly tried to raise my monthly direct debit to £215 per month! 😮😮😮😮 I nearly fainted when I saw the notification, which had only been sent a couple of days before my next direct debit was due! Fortunately I managed to figure out how to change it back. I'm now watching my direct debits like a hawk to see if they try anything else sneaky. I have no idea how they arrived at £215 per month as it's not at all in line with my actual usage. Punishment for escalating??

@Nameychangington Good luck!! Watch that your direct debits don't now suddenly skyrocket though.

OP posts:
GrannyJJ · 01/05/2025 22:08

ExtremelyFedUpNow · 02/03/2025 22:06

I won't go into the full complaint (believe it or not this is the SHORT version!!) basically I had a smart meter installed by Octopus when I bought my house over a year and a half ago and it's been an F*ing nightmare ever since. Even though they were direct debiting monthly, I wasn't getting bills from Octopus. I called them to query this and was told 'not to worry', problems with the smart meter, it's all normal.
Months went by and then a year went by and then after about 13 months I was suddenly getting a flurry of emails from Octopus several times per day every single day for weeks. They were bills going right back to the first day the meter was fitted but the bills were repeating and giving different amounts owed.
As an example I received a bill for say 1 November 2023 to 1 December 2024 saying a owed (can't remember exact figure) £1,000 , then I get another email 30 seconds later saying I owed £89 for dates 9 July 2024 to 10 July 2024, then seconds later I get another bill saying I owed £357 for dates 11 July 2024 to 27 November 2024, then seconds later another bill saying they owe me £247, then seconds later another bill saying I owe £11 for 24 November 2024, then another bill seconds later..... and on and on it went for months. None of it made any sense and none of the figures added up.
I called them twice and was told their system was trying to sort it and to be patient. Meanwhile the monthly direct debits were coming out of my account but they didn't seem to match the dates on the bills and it was hard to work out what I actually owed because some bills were days, some were weeks, some were several months and they all overlapped with repeated bills for some days, weeks and months.

I started to email Octopus, as I wasn't getting anywhere with them by phone, and I said I wanted the constant back billing, repeated emails to stop and going forward I wanted to be billed monthly. They initially said they couldn't do that and that I would be billed per day. I've never heard of such a thing and insisted I wanted to be billed monthly. I continued to received constant emails of bills dating back from over a year ago. After weeks of emails I insisted on escalating to a manager and was told that I couldn't speak to a manager. After weeks of pushing I finally managed to get a manager to contact me. He said he would look into it and that it might take some time, it took several weeks. After much going back and forth the manager finally agreed that I could be billed monthly and he chose that my billing period would be the date of my direct debit (so if my direct debit is 5th of the month then I would be billed from 4th of month X to 5th of month Y, that means the day I receive the bill is also the date the money is direct debited from my bank. This made no sense to me but at least I finally had a monthly billing period which seemed to stop the repeated bills being emailed to me from the past year and I could better view what I actually owed and was paying for. It took them months to actually get the monthly billing into place and then it only lasted two months before I was told that they were changing my tariff for some reason.

I was offered £30 to close my complaint but that has never materialised.

Even though I have storage heaters and an electric hot water heating (which work overnight and uses a significant amount of electricity) they have changed me to a flat rate tariff. When I questioned this they responded the same day and said they didn't know what my electrical use was and questioned why I wanted to be on a cheaper overnight rate. :O How can Octopus not know what my usage is?

When I explained that 90%+ of my electrical use is overnight and included pictures of my usage charts from my Octopus account they suddenly went quiet and haven't responded. After waiting a week, and worrying about how much this new tariff is costing me, I emailed their complaints team and also their ceo (it says on their website to email him if you're having problems that are not getting resolved). Again I've had no response. I also haven't been billed for the past 6 weeks so it looks like I'm no longer being billed monthly?

WTF is going on?? I'm getting so fed up with all this and the hassle of having to contact them all the time to figure out what is happening with my account.
Has anyone else had similar problems? I keep hearing how amazing Octopus is but all I've had are problems.
I've heard there is no point in complaining to the Obudsman but I don't know what else to do. I want a monthly bill, not a bill every couple of days or every 3-4 months or repeated overlapping bills that cover 14 months. I don't understand why they can't bill me monthly. I also don't understand why I am not on a cheaper overnight tariff. I've turned my heating down to 14 degrees because I can't afford the flat rate tariff. What else can I do??

I'm thinking about changing suppliers but who to chose if Octopus are suppose to be the best out there how much worse are the other providers??

AIBU to want a monthly electric bill and an explanation as to why they changed my tariff to a flat rate?

(Apologies for the long email I'm so frustrated that it's been like therapy to write this all out :) Thanks for reading.)

I get an electric bill every month but gas bills are random and the app is showing very little useage. They say send gas meter readings but last year they were adamant they could get readings remotely. They gave me compensation but I really want a smart meter that works. They say send free coffee vouchers are good though

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