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To think London has become a parody of itself?

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NattyBrickMember · 24/02/2025 08:32

Everything is overpriced, gentrification is out of control, and the chaos somehow feels unbearable and iconic at the same time. AIBU to think London has become a caricature of what it used to be - like a city pretending to be itself for tourists and TikTok?

OP posts:
BatchCookBabe · 24/02/2025 10:48

TitusMoan · 24/02/2025 10:37

It’s stupidly expensive now, that’s why.

It is. And I don't understand why, as it's no better than anywhere else. Great place to visit/lots to see etc, but the price of property there is utterly farcical.

Lots of other places in the UK have lots of things to see. And they are not super expensive!

spoodlesee · 24/02/2025 10:48

90s and early '00s when everything felt vibrant, optimistic and edgy

If you were young then I think London was amazing.

BatchCookBabe · 24/02/2025 10:48

Crumpies · 24/02/2025 10:28

Yes I think this is the core of it. We are older, no longer in the scene and craving something quieter, more affordable and bigger and London just doesn’t meet those needs for many of us.
25 year olds are still having a ball in London !!

Exactly. I loved London when I was in my 20s. I had an amazing time living there. Wouldn't live there now if you paid me. Great place to visit, but I will stay in my rural village (in my low population rural county) ta!

Done city living (and town living) many years ago for some years, and it was great at the time, especially with children, but it's not for me now the children are grown. My DC - who are now adults - live in urban areas, and they recoil in horror at the thought of living in the sticks! 😆

Nothing personal against London - I wouldn't want to live in any city. OR big town. Not now.

LetThereBeLove · 24/02/2025 10:51

Beehoon · 24/02/2025 10:47

You forgot to mention the swarms of “roadmen” in clad in black, travelling in packs, on scooters, pushing thru crowds talking tough wearing face covering, stabbing selling drugs, stealing phones and starting fights over nuffin.
Thats hardly the parody. Anyone who cannot afford private security on their street has moved out.

That is just so untrue! The only people I know who have moved out is due to the cost of buying or renting. Nobody has private security.

spoodlesee · 24/02/2025 10:52

I say this as a middle aged person but everyone who says "ooh it was more vibrant, more optimistic, cooler, more cutting edge, livelier 20 years ago", do you not think that is maybe because you were also all of those things then?

I work with older teens, they don't seem to have the same optimism & hope & they are obsessed with the 90s 😆

Ginmonkeyagain · 24/02/2025 10:52

@spoodlesee In my view trains and buses are less crowded in London post covid. I have used the same train line to commute from zone 3 to zone 1 since 2015, before covid I would have to squeeze on or many time let the train go and get a later one. Now I have loads of space to stand and often get a seat, Fridays and Mondays the trains seem deserted at rush hour.

MargoLivebetter · 24/02/2025 10:53

I work in London and live on the outskirts. I'm in and out a fair bit. I lived in London from 18-38. I think of London as constantly morphing. It is never the same, always changing. Some of it is for the better and some for the worse. I cannot get over the current pace of high rise building going on. The skylines of Vauxhall, Nine Elms totally transformed. I do wonder who must be buying all the expensive tiny flats though. They certainly aren't affordable for average income earners.

I go to Kings Cross now and it is a really lovely place to visit. How much of a shithole did it used to be?! God it was awful. Battersea - another fantastic transformation that was a long, long, long time coming. Victoria Station and its surrounds is another place greatly improved. Paddington Basin area also hugely improved and a pleasant place to visit.

However, I think Covent Garden, Soho and the theatre area is hideous now and Oxford Street is also in need of a huge overhaul.

Agree with all of those complaining about the ever pervasive smell of weed. It is grim. Definitely the smell of weed has changed. I used to quite like the light thin slightly sweet smell that weed had in the olden days, but now it is earthy, dank and so strong. Not nice at all.

I definitely find the city more crowded these days, which it obviously is because there are more people, but I'm also more of an old git and I like crowds less. I walk miles these days and avoid the tube as much as possible. I find that so crowded too.

One of my pet peeves is having to drive everywhere at 20 mph. It is so bloody painful. I also find the bicycles, partially motorised bikes, mopeds and electric scooters weaving in and out of the traffic from all angles quite alarming too. Again, that maybe because I'm an old git now too!

Overall, fwiw I don't think London has become a parody of itself @NattyBrickMember .

spoodlesee · 24/02/2025 10:54

When I was a teen those areas mentioned were no go places

They had reputations but were fine, you just needed to have an awareness.

LondonPapa · 24/02/2025 10:55

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 24/02/2025 10:03

Ugh I hate Gail’s!

Anyone with an ounce of taste hates Gail's.

spoodlesee · 24/02/2025 10:56

Anyone who cannot afford private security on their street has moved out.

While I can't afford private security although I've read it's more common now.

OooPourUsACupLove · 24/02/2025 10:59

@neverknowinglyunreasonable that was wonderful, thank you😂

pimlicopubber · 24/02/2025 10:59

NattyBrickMember · 24/02/2025 08:32

Everything is overpriced, gentrification is out of control, and the chaos somehow feels unbearable and iconic at the same time. AIBU to think London has become a caricature of what it used to be - like a city pretending to be itself for tourists and TikTok?

I don't have tiktok and don't use Instagram, so might be missing something.
Has there been a time when it's not been chaotic?
Gentrification just means places are becoming nicer, I might be in the minority, but I don't mind Gail's replacing the crappy fried chicken shop. I haven't even been to our local one since my maternity leave, but I can always see new mums with prams sitting outside.
Has there been a time when people think it's NOT overpriced? Cost of housing is too much, but I find most other things aren't much nore expensive than somewhere else.

spoodlesee · 24/02/2025 11:00

@Ginmonkeyagain I have quite a few colleagues who say the train services have been reduced in their part of London eg 2 trains an hr vs 4. I think Tubes numbers are back to normal almost except Friday & Monday. I still find the tube busy on the weekend & I definitely think the traffic is much worse now.

spoodlesee · 24/02/2025 11:02

Gentrification just means places are becoming nicer,

It's not just nicer though, it's often blander & more chain heavy.

MojoMoon · 24/02/2025 11:02

Beehoon · 24/02/2025 10:47

You forgot to mention the swarms of “roadmen” in clad in black, travelling in packs, on scooters, pushing thru crowds talking tough wearing face covering, stabbing selling drugs, stealing phones and starting fights over nuffin.
Thats hardly the parody. Anyone who cannot afford private security on their street has moved out.

There are nearly NINE MILLION people living in London. They've definitely not all moved out.

And I assure you 99pc of people don't live on roads with private security.

If you want to make a point about crime, it will be much stronger if you don't make a ridiculous, clearly untrue, over the top claim alongside it.

spoodlesee · 24/02/2025 11:03

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly559jnd2zo.amp

this is quite a shift.

spoodlesee · 24/02/2025 11:04

www.headteacher-update.com/content/news/falling-rolls-will-wipe-1bn-from-school-funding-across-england/

But I guess if your dc are already grown up it's less concerning.

kindlyensure · 24/02/2025 11:05

Ah, lovely, it's that time again <checks watch>

We haven't had a goady 'London' thread for about.., well, actually quite recently.

(Files under things only MN users have the vapours about—along with answering the door, builders who use the loo and Meghan Markle. Although, tbf, that last one is probs not confined to MN).

Yes, yes, London—all of it. All Of It! is over-priced, gentrified, chaotic and Tik-tokd up to its grimy eyeballs.

Next!

Bleachbum · 24/02/2025 11:10

bombastix · 24/02/2025 08:52

The centre is now very strange. Full of crappy souvenir shops, vape shops, American sweet shops. Then there is some top end retail clinging on.

The good thing is the food which is so much better than 30 years ago. But it's a very bland place to go now.

Quite. Oxford St could do with a bit of gentrification! I used to love going there from when I was around 15, especially the massive Top Shop. My teens think it’s a shit hole.

MellersSmellers · 24/02/2025 11:10

A city that isn't changing is a city that's dying.
None of the problems you mention are new OP - including gentrification and overseas buyers leaving their flats empty.
Lived in London almost 50 years and still love it, warts and all.

"When you're tired of London, you're tired of life"

JHound · 24/02/2025 11:10

Yes

hydriotaphia · 24/02/2025 11:12

I get you OP. The wealth gap is widening, and I agree there is an increasing contrast between the very glossy and the challenges a lot of people have. I am an academy trustee at an outer London school trust and even though the areas the schools serve are deprived, the school rolls are falling because people can't afford even outer London and are moving further out to Kent or Essex. And primary school rolls are falling even more in inner London, as so few people can afford to start a family there. I really like London and will probably be here for the rest of my life, but I agree the wealth gap is widening and that it has an impact on how the city feels.

Namechangefordaughterevasion · 24/02/2025 11:12

@WagnersFourthSymphony

Homelessness is not confined to London. It's everywhere. Visit any seaside town or big city and look around.

Crikeyalmighty · 24/02/2025 11:13

I've lived there before for a few years at a time and these days go a fair bit for work and various events- some things way better, some things worse- but I struggle to take seriously people who lambast it constantly but only ever go to the west end and don't get out and about- the fact is it's 8 times bigger than any other city and hence issues are magnified/ more obvious. If you can afford to live in a good and attractive area then it's still a great place to live ( ata cost of course ) compared to vast swathes of the UK . Far more to do for free, different areas to visit for a trip out and easy ways to get there, huge parks , semi decent transport.

Terrribletwos · 24/02/2025 11:14

MojoMoon · 24/02/2025 09:09

Awful public transport?!

Where in the UK has better public transport than London? Pretty sure your seaside town does not.

There are also far more vibrant independent restaurants, pubs, pop up retail etc in London that most provincial towns because the number of residents and visitors supports that.

Compare that to decaying retail in many small towns - a few chains hang on but outside a few tourist hotspots, retail is in far worse state outside the big cities than in them.

Londoners also on average walk or use active transport like cycling more than any other part of the UK so it's certainly not true that the lifestyle is universally unhealthy.

Except the air pollution. That is definitely a problem.

It's not a utopia but it also isn't the hell hole so many people seem to want it to be.

It's fine that you decided you want a small, sleepy town. London is not a small sleepy town and cannot pretend to be.

This weekend, I was on a busy bus. A man with two children was on board with a buggy. He was wearing a Jewish skull cap.
A Somali woman in a hijab boarded with another buggy. Regular bus users will know two buggies can fit but it's a bit of jenga to get them in.
The man and woman smiles at each other, worked together to fit them in and then compared notes about how both kids in buggies had Bluey toys on them.
A young man then got up and offered the woman and her older child his seat while another woman was busy waving and smiling at the baby.
And then to wrap up this story, everyone talked about the weather and when spring would arrive, fulfilling every cliche about being British.

Given the grim news about German elections that I was reading at the time and everything that is happening in the US, I actually felt slightly proud of living here (and usually I think being proud of where you live or born is stupid because it is largely a matter of chance)

Thanks for that. Yes, that relates to my my experience also. I have found it a friendly city overall. When I visited with my young son the people on the tube were very polite and accommodating, I was very pleasantly surprised.