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To not understand why Katharine Birbalsingh is so controversial

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TemporaryPosition · 22/02/2025 12:34

Just that. Am I being unreasonable in thinking the results she achieves at her school and start in life her students get which they likely otherwise wouldn't - is something to be celebrated and perhaps we should look to what's going wrong in schools which face the the same socioeconomic challenges but get far poorer results. Surely I'm not being unreasonable to wonder this.

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noblegiraffe · 26/02/2025 13:24

cooljerk · 25/02/2025 09:32

@AquaPeer

The results of their Year 6 pupils reveals excellent attainment in all three SATs papers which does not compare or correlate at all with a 'normal' intake at a local authority school.

I quoted the relevant FoI request a while back.

No, the FOI request didn’t specify excellent SATs result.

More than half the intake have expected or below expected SATs results.

cooljerk · 26/02/2025 13:47

@noblegiraffe eh?

"We have got KS2 results for 118/130 pupils in this year’s year 7 cohort.
Of those results, 14% (17) are under 100 in English (Reading) and 7% (8)
are under 100 in maths."

kesstrel · 26/02/2025 15:48

cooljerk

You are mistaken in your claims about the SATS results for Michaela entrants. The quote you gave was a response from the West London Free School, not from Michaela. See below.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/search/We%20have%20got%20KS2%20results%20for%20118/130%20pupils%20in%20this%20year%E2%80%99s%20year%207%20cohort.%20Of%20those%20results,%2014%25%20(17)%20are%20under%20100%20in%20English%20(Reading)%20and%207%25%20(8)%20are%20under%20100%20in%20maths./all

CecilyP · 26/02/2025 16:52

roses2 · 26/02/2025 08:55

I see it says 7 but if you add up the individual GCSEs it comes to 8 per child:

116 kids sits 7 core GCSEs (double science) then there are 116 kids that sit either history/geography/art

Universities now look at your top eight subjects
Given 82% of Michaela kids go to Oxbridge/Russell Group then this is not correct information.

Edited

Yes, I also see what you mean. How would they get progress 8 scores if the children only take 7. Is it possible that the person compiling the results only took double science to be one?

CecilyP · 26/02/2025 17:00

noblegiraffe · 26/02/2025 13:24

No, the FOI request didn’t specify excellent SATs result.

More than half the intake have expected or below expected SATs results.

But the GCSE results based on prior attainment does show:
9 low, 49 middle and 45 high prior attainment. Surely that is quite high for a comprehensive. Would the average not be around around 25, 50, 25%? I have checked a school that is in a genuinely deprived inner city area (SE1) and the numbers are 47, 87, 12 for a cohort of 155.

CecilyP · 26/02/2025 17:07

Universities now look at your top eight subjects
^Given 82% of Michaela kids go to Oxbridge/Russell Group then this is not correct information.

Though the 6th form sounds almost like a separate school with 40 places reserved for external applicants.

noblegiraffe · 26/02/2025 17:16

CecilyP · 26/02/2025 17:00

But the GCSE results based on prior attainment does show:
9 low, 49 middle and 45 high prior attainment. Surely that is quite high for a comprehensive. Would the average not be around around 25, 50, 25%? I have checked a school that is in a genuinely deprived inner city area (SE1) and the numbers are 47, 87, 12 for a cohort of 155.

It depends on the area though. Here's another non-selective school in the same area (I know nothing about London, it just came up next on the list) https://www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk/school/138457/wembley-high-technology-college/secondary/results-by-pupil-characteristics?accordionstate=1

It seems to be similarly skewed towards the higher end. Michaela can only accept pupils that apply to it though - their admissions policy certainly isn't selective from their end.

KTheGrey · 28/02/2025 18:02

cardibach · 24/02/2025 10:19

Schools can exclude if they don’t care (or need to care) what Ofsted have to say.
It’s nothing to do with her colour or political persuasion, and all to do with my 35 years of experience in education. How many years do you have?
Mind you, calling someone who has made it into government a ‘nobody’ does illustrate who it is that dislikes someone just in the basis of their political persuasion…

I have 43 years of experience of education.

I did not use the word nobody at all, I used the word notably. This hasn’t stopped you answering something I only said in your imagination so well done have a cookie 🍪

cardibach · 28/02/2025 18:34

KTheGrey · 28/02/2025 18:02

I have 43 years of experience of education.

I did not use the word nobody at all, I used the word notably. This hasn’t stopped you answering something I only said in your imagination so well done have a cookie 🍪

Apologies. I misread.
Everything I said is true though.

LaineyCee · 28/02/2025 23:13

She asserts that brown people can’t be English

Allthebrokenplaces · 01/03/2025 11:25

LaineyCee · 28/02/2025 23:13

She asserts that brown people can’t be English

Where did she say this?

noblegiraffe · 01/03/2025 11:26

Twitter, of course.

noblegiraffe · 01/03/2025 11:27

Here

To not understand why Katharine Birbalsingh is so controversial
IdaGlossop · 01/03/2025 17:56

cardibach · 24/02/2025 20:11

They can’t at Michaela. I was trained to adapt materials for each class and to try to engage through relationships. Michaela is so prescriptive those things are t possible.

I can see that deskilling of teachers is an unwanted consequence of the Michaela approach.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 01/03/2025 18:37

noblegiraffe · 01/03/2025 11:27

Here

Confused She sounds very confused about what 'British' and 'English' mean!

Allthebrokenplaces · 01/03/2025 19:48

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 01/03/2025 18:37

Confused She sounds very confused about what 'British' and 'English' mean!

It looks like she is saying that English people are white English but people who have perhaps been here for decades/centuries but are not white English could be considered "British".
So my friend who was born in England to Irish parents and has children who were born here, that these children are British but not English.

That tweet deserves a thread of its own.

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