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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not want to go to Scotland for work?

98 replies

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 12:24

I have a job I love, I am manager level but don't manage a team (thank heaven)

I have a line manager who delegates a lot of work to me, which I am mostly fine with, but I have noticed lately that a lot of high responsibility level tasks are being completed by me.

The latest request is for me to travel to Scotland and undergo some training that I will then roll out to my manager's direct reports.

I don't want to do this as it's an environment that may not be particularly friendly as the Scottish office were an acquisition that wasn't welcomed by the employees in situ. I have Scottish parents and grew up in Edinburgh so I have nothing against the Scottish people, I just think they will not be welcoming me due to circumstances.

AIBU to refuse to go?

OP posts:
CombatBarbie · 22/02/2025 12:59

Rivalry is banter between us jocks and English. Remember that thing we used to before everything was offensive.

There's more trouble at an Arsenal v Tottenham match than Scotland v England rugby or football game.

I say all this as a Scottish person who was in the military.

MemorableTrenchcoat · 22/02/2025 12:59

KIlliePieMyOhMy · 22/02/2025 12:47

Do you think we could try and support OP rather than berate her.
I know that it is MN policy to make people feel stupid and small, but maybe we could try a little harder today.

As a Scot, I find the suggestion that a group of Scottish workers would automatically “shun” a visiting colleague purely because they’re English to be absolutely deplorable. Honestly, it’s a disgusting misconception.

Hoppinggreen · 22/02/2025 13:00

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 12:56

It's okay @KIlliePieMyOhMy you seem to understand my dilemma without needing to shoot a poison arrow. I appreciate that.

I came here for clarity not shoulder patting and I'm ard I can take the onslaught

But you can't cope with the thought of low level shunning?
Of course it won't be nice if everyone ignores you or worse but you are there to do a job not make friends so go and be professional and then come home
Preferably picking up some tablet as a souvenir

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 13:00

@MemorableTrenchcoat I think I might be shunned as a minion from head office rather than because I'm English by residency.

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PonyPatter44 · 22/02/2025 13:00

Lions den? What an over-reaction. Its Edinburgh, not Mogadishu!

NDHz · 22/02/2025 13:00

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 12:57

Xenophobia Confused bit of a reach really

How would you describe it?

From what you have said so far that’s exactly what it is, but TBH is all seems VERY odd.

If you can explain more people might understand better. Is it possible you have some kind of unresolved trauma relating to the move from Scotland?

MyFavouriteSpoon · 22/02/2025 13:00

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MrsSkylerWhite · 22/02/2025 13:01

Don’t be daft, OP.

MemorableTrenchcoat · 22/02/2025 13:01

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 12:59

Not odd. Just asking for outside opinions on whether my boss is sending me into a lions den so they don't have to go themselves

The lions’ den? You’d think they were sending you to west Belfast at the height of the Troubles.

RIPVPROG · 22/02/2025 13:02

This is one of the maddest things I've seen.

Radionowhere · 22/02/2025 13:03

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TinyR3bel · 22/02/2025 13:03

Unfortunately it’s just part of being a grown up. This year I have to West Coast US, Japan and Finland. I fucking HATE leaving the house with a passion to do the school run! I work from home in my slippers 95% of the time and have a young family but it’s what I get paid to do so hey-ho, it’s off to work i go!

AgnesX · 22/02/2025 13:04

I think both you and your manager need to get a grip really.

Apart from the fact that most people don't give a rats ass (and the others generally keep their opinions to themselves at work) you're there to do a job. So, put your big pants on and rise to the challenge.

Catsbreakfast · 22/02/2025 13:05

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 12:39

@wholettheturnipsburn that's not my recollection but then I was only 12 years old last time I went

Well you still come across as if you were 12 so there’s that.

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 13:06

Haha yeah thank you for the brutal advice

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Quinlan · 22/02/2025 13:06

If this was a company in England and you were just going to the next city, would you be feeling like this?
You’re clearly feeling like this because they’re Scottish, not because it’s a company your firm acquired. So… grow up.

Oblomov25 · 22/02/2025 13:06

Good grief. Go, do the training. Come home.

MummytoE · 22/02/2025 13:07

I wouldnt go. Not your job or responsibility, unless you are eyeing promotion at some point of course. Also not the point of the thread I no but if you were born in Scotland to Scottish parents doesn't that make you Scottish 😂

scanni · 22/02/2025 13:07

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 12:28

Maybe so, I just feel like an interloper from head office after an unwelcome takeover

And if the other place was not in Scotland?

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 13:08

@Quinlan no that's not the case. I'm actually fine with Scotland and I'm looking forward to seeing Edinburgh again, I just worry that I may have been given this task because others don't want it

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Purplecatshopaholic · 22/02/2025 13:08

Quinlan · 22/02/2025 12:42

People in Scotland are just as capable of being professional as you are. They are also just as capable of doing their job. You will get some stick if you go into the office saying stuff you have said here, because it is insulting.

Honestly OP, I really think the only person causing any strife will be you, not them. Just go and do your job, treat people with respect and be professional. Stop acting like Scottish people are thugs. We are not.

Nailed it. Go - be friendly, professional, get the job done, come back.

FondantFancyFan · 22/02/2025 13:09

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 12:59

Not odd. Just asking for outside opinions on whether my boss is sending me into a lions den so they don't have to go themselves

Have you considered that you boss might be training you up for promotion? You even acknowledged that you're increasingly taking on higher level tasks. This trip is the next step up on the promotion mentoring which you've not had the wisdom to realise. So maybe you're not management level as your boss had hoped. If this was my work place then by not going you'll blow any further chance of promotion & higher level mentoring.

ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs · 22/02/2025 13:10

This is hilarious! I am Scottish, and a massive rugby fan. My daughters boyfriend, who I love, is English and a massive rugby fan. We will no doubt have some banter over text today (Calcutta Cup!) But there will be no "hostility "!
Honestly, Scottish people can get on with English people, believe it or not!! No one is going to come at you with a broadsword!

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 13:11

See@ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs that is the kind of articulate and pragmatic answer I hoped for thank you

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scanni · 22/02/2025 13:13

ohyesido · 22/02/2025 13:08

@Quinlan no that's not the case. I'm actually fine with Scotland and I'm looking forward to seeing Edinburgh again, I just worry that I may have been given this task because others don't want it

The vast majority of people don't think like you about Scottish people, thankfully.