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Hoarder mother in law

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HandW123 · 20/02/2025 17:48

My husband & I have been together 5 years this spring. His mother is a hoarder. For background, my husband has a younger brother & his dad passed away very young when my husband was only 13. My mother in law has always hoarded and it’s not just a bit of clutter, it’s a serious mental illness for her that she has never acknowledged or seeked help for. When I met my partner she was still living in the family home where the boys grew up & it was in a terrible state with dead rats in some rooms, no heating in others, no hot water & a horrific smell that never left the house - being the eldest, my husband had tried to help in all different ways, he’d cleaned up, fixed things but within days the room he’d sorted would be messy again. Obviously by visiting here, I had some insight into how my husband and his brother grew up, they are both full of trauma from years of neglect and embarrassment. About 3 years ago, she sold her house & moved to another about 4 hours away. In the old house, you couldn’t even sit down or make a cup of tea so visiting was limited, so when she moved into a rather large beautiful house, her sons were delighted that they could finally visit her somewhere clean. Over the last 3 years, we have visited every 3-6 months or so & stay there. I have watched it fill up with stuff & fall into disrepair. She has a cleaner who cleans the bathrooms as her 89 year old mother is now living with her also and we have made it clear that to not have clean rooms is unacceptable for his nan. I’ve also been able to stay there and deal with it, it’s been less than ideal and uncomfortable at times but the bed sheets are clean, the bathrooms are clean and there’s a dishwasher so I’ve made the best of it to support my husband and her relationship. Now I’m pregnant and for me everything has changed. We visited there this Christmas and my husband made it clear that the stairs/hallway etc need to be clear before we arrived, the house was the worst I’d ever seen it, there wasn't even a clear pathway from our bedroom to the bathroom. I was shocked by my own reaction but I felt extremely emotional and really let down by her lack of care towards the woman carrying her first grandchild. She does weird things all of the time and is very self centred, she isn’t very supportive to her sons but requires a lot of support and energy from us. I suddenly feel intolerant to her and I’m really struggling to move past it. For years I’ve accepted she’s not well and wouldn’t choose to live this way but now I feel terrified of how we are going to navigate visiting her with a baby. I feel protective over my unborn child and don’t want her anywhere near them as I’ve seen first hand how much she’s hurt her own children again and again. She doesn’t respect boundaries anyway and is very righteous, she’s completely in denial about her house and says bonkers things about making a room into a nursery so she can help with the child care. I already know I will not leave my child with her unsupervised because she’s told me inappropriate stories about how she raised her own children. It’s an extremely difficult situation and I feel like I am going to cause world war 3 because I’m the only one that will be prepared to upset to keep my child safe

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Iamallowedtodisagreewithyou · 20/02/2025 17:58

I'm not seeing the problem just don't go there

kiwiane · 20/02/2025 17:58

You need to safeguard the vulnerable people in the family - is her mother safe? I’d report to adult social services so they can check on her.
Your help is not having any meaningful impact - stay in a hotel next time of stay at home.

NadjaofAntipaxos · 20/02/2025 17:59

You are right that hording is an awful mental illness and can be one of the most complex to try and treat. Yes you can feel sorry for her but now you have a child to consider and they come first.

Your view of the world completely changes when you get pregnant but perhaps your husband's perspective will change once the baby arrives. There is no way you can take the baby there. It doesn't sound safe and you are going to have to put your foot down now. It's for your husband to tell his mum though. Why on earth he would want to subject his own child to the trauma he experienced is unfathomable. Has he had or would he have any therapy to come to terms with his childhood and what this now means in light of impending fatherhood.

Namsara · 20/02/2025 18:01

"extremely emotional and really let down by her lack of care towards the woman carrying her first grandchild"

You really think that someone who didn't care enough about their own dc will care for their gdc?

It's not about you. She has an illness like alcoholism. I'm the child of a hoarder, don't visit. Meet in outside places.

Vaxtable · 20/02/2025 18:03

I just would not visit. DH can go on his own

whatwouldlilacerullodo · 20/02/2025 18:06

I think that now you're pregnant, you realised how selfish she is, and how terribly she treated her kids. I suddenly realised these things about a family member when I first got pregnant.

It was weird how suddenly I just thought "that's unacceptable" about things I've spent my life with, and never felt that strongly about before.

TheSilentSister · 20/02/2025 18:12

I've watched horder TV programs and if she's anything like those poor people then there's not a lot you can do, they are usually deluded and can't see the issue.
You have to make a stand now and make it clear to your DH that you won't be visiting her with your DC. She can come to you, if she's able or even willing.
Agree with pp, social services need to be told about the circumstances re her own mother, poor thing.

Belaymehearties · 20/02/2025 18:34

Visit with her on neutral territory only from now on. If she asks why - you and DH both tell her that you won't be taking any young DC into somewhere so dirty and unsafe. She needs to seek help for both herself and her DM.

FKAT · 20/02/2025 18:38

I'd go low or no contact. As PP said refer the GM to social services. If MIL wants to live in a filthy landfill site of her own making that's her choice. You can do absolutely nothing to change her and any attempts will just frustrate and grind you down.

DH is having therapy?

You're trying to reason with someone who will not be reasoned with. Life is short. Your baby comes first.

Porkyporkchop · 20/02/2025 18:52

If mil can move house then she can see you outside of the home. Do not go there again. Meet in cafes or the park - she can have a great time with her grandchild fully supervised and outside the home. There really is no need to go to the home.
also - I would do a social care referral for the nan who lives with her , you can do this anonymously

Runaway1 · 20/02/2025 19:38

You can’t change it. Don’t go there.

Elsvieta · 20/02/2025 19:40

If she didn't care about her own dc, she's never going to care about yours. Never cross her threshold again, and if she asks why, tell her. Tell dh you don't want to be in a house that's a health hazard, and never apologize for it. YANBU.

Achyarms · 20/02/2025 19:42

Stay at a travel lodge near by when you visit, pop round for a cuppa if you can just to see how she is getting on at home but don’t sleep there.
of course never leave any children with her.

Thepossibility · 20/02/2025 19:46

It doesn't have to be a drama just tell DH that your children won't ever be going into that house as it is because it isn't safe. He can tell his DM this, then it's her choice to keep the property as it is and not have her grandchildren visit.

HandW123 · 21/02/2025 07:57

Judging me for how I felt is really unfair and unhelpful. I was just pointing out that for the first time I had an emotional reaction to it whereas before being pregnant I was able to view her illness logically and calmly. I never said my reaction was appropriate, I’m just being honest

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HighlandCowbag · 21/02/2025 08:03

My late FIL partner was a hoarder. I tried like your dh to help but you can't. All you can donis manage your own family. Meet outside the house, or just don't see her. Dh needs to safeguard his grandma but unfortunately adult social services will do very little.

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