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Fascism doesn't arrive in fancy dress...

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Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 18/02/2025 10:36

"I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."

By Michael Rosen

michaelrosenblog.blogspot.com/2014/05/fascism-i-sometimes-fear.html?m=1

OP posts:
izimbra · 20/02/2025 08:16

@bigvig

So you either don't know what fascism is, or you know but you welcome it.

Have you read Project 2025?

izimbra · 20/02/2025 08:18

"You have no idea the damage that the TQ+ rainbow brigade have caused in society"

You're delusional.

Your comment is completely barking.

Whatafustercluck · 20/02/2025 08:27

username299 · 20/02/2025 00:17

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. UKIP have been around for years, everyone knows Farage and the bollocks he spouts.

Reform very evidently don't represent the electorate or they'd be in power. What don't you understand about that? That's a rhetorical question, please don't answer.

The reason they're not closer to power is entirely due to the UK's FPTP voting system. I've been unconvinced of FPTP in the past, but the rise of support for someone like Farage has given me renewed hope that our system guards against extremism.

That said, the fact that 3m voted for a party i personally believe to be extreme is evidence enough that many, many otherwise 'normal' people are disaffected enough to knowingly vote for someone like Farage. And that is a dangerous place to be. I agree that we should ignore this at our peril - as history will testify.

AzurePanda · 20/02/2025 08:30

@ARealitycheck I’ve been doing a lot of researching in the past few months on the state of various EU economies. I’m staggered at the state of them (particularly Germany and France) and even more staggered at how little it’s reported in the UK press.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 20/02/2025 10:41

I've seem Covid blamed for alot of things but Brexit being shit (as predicted) is a new one!

OP posts:
messydownstairs · 20/02/2025 13:55

myplace · 18/02/2025 14:14

I think there are no good guys, because the good guys went to sea in a wonderful pea green boat to live on honey and five pound notes.

The good guys are so privileged they lost sight of their own citizens who are paying for the ideals of the good guys and are struggling.

I agree with most of the ideals of the good guys. But we can’t make the poorest and most vulnerable pay for them- they are luxurious ideals that you buy into when your basic needs are met.

I agree that in difficult economic times, people go to the extremes. For me, the answer is ensuring that those with the broadest shoulders pay their fair share. And I don't mean the middle classes, who are struggling as far as I can tell. I mean the corporations and the super rich, who have so much and want to pay so little.

messydownstairs · 20/02/2025 13:58

Hoardasurass · 18/02/2025 12:52

America turned up years late for both world wars why would anyone expect them to be in the front line of ww3

True, but they arrived eventually and, as I understand it, there was never a question about whose side they would be on if they did arrive. I don't think the same applies now. The Trump administration looks to me like one that will be loyal solely to its own interests.

Hoardasurass · 20/02/2025 14:21

messydownstairs · 20/02/2025 13:58

True, but they arrived eventually and, as I understand it, there was never a question about whose side they would be on if they did arrive. I don't think the same applies now. The Trump administration looks to me like one that will be loyal solely to its own interests.

Not quite true there was a large group of congressman who were ok with Hitler and many more who were happy to work with them in business and finance.
The simple fact is had Germanies ally Japan not attacked Pearl harbour America would have sat out the entirety of ww2 and just profiteer from the sidelines which is what Trump is setting up now, it's nothing new and I'm surprised that anyone is shocked or surprised at this turn of affairs

messydownstairs · 20/02/2025 14:40

Hoardasurass · 20/02/2025 14:21

Not quite true there was a large group of congressman who were ok with Hitler and many more who were happy to work with them in business and finance.
The simple fact is had Germanies ally Japan not attacked Pearl harbour America would have sat out the entirety of ww2 and just profiteer from the sidelines which is what Trump is setting up now, it's nothing new and I'm surprised that anyone is shocked or surprised at this turn of affairs

I agree that Pearl Harbour was a turning point. I'm less certain that America wouldn't have become involved in some other way eventually, but of course we can never know that for sure. I feel that the Trump administration's naked lack of integrity and avaricious pursuit of resources is something unprecedented though.

Dahliasrule · 20/02/2025 14:56

I shared the poem on my Facebook feed. I forgot to block my America living MAGA nephew. His comment was ‘Biden is a fit’. I despair. When will their eyes be opened.

ARealitycheck · 21/02/2025 05:23

messydownstairs · 20/02/2025 14:40

I agree that Pearl Harbour was a turning point. I'm less certain that America wouldn't have become involved in some other way eventually, but of course we can never know that for sure. I feel that the Trump administration's naked lack of integrity and avaricious pursuit of resources is something unprecedented though.

America (along with Russia) had been supplying us with materials from almost the start. Had the north atlantic convoys protected from uboats by American warships not existed, the war could well have been very different.

Obviously at the start of WW2 and the invation of Poland, nobody had any inkling how far it was about to go.

Just like America and Vietnam or us with the Falklands, the leaders have to consider what is right for their citizens before sending troops to potentially die. As a parent would you want that knock on the door to say your son had died in a war you didn't believe in.

username299 · 21/02/2025 08:36

ARealitycheck · 21/02/2025 05:23

America (along with Russia) had been supplying us with materials from almost the start. Had the north atlantic convoys protected from uboats by American warships not existed, the war could well have been very different.

Obviously at the start of WW2 and the invation of Poland, nobody had any inkling how far it was about to go.

Just like America and Vietnam or us with the Falklands, the leaders have to consider what is right for their citizens before sending troops to potentially die. As a parent would you want that knock on the door to say your son had died in a war you didn't believe in.

America made a lot of money out of Europe as they fought fascism. They didn't provide arms out of the goodness of their hearts.

No one wants their child to be killed in a war but the alternative was a fascist dictatorship. It's myopic to capitulate to Putin, he's a ruthless dictator.

EasternStandard · 21/02/2025 10:47

@username299 what would be your approach?

Is it more weapons, funding and fighting to what end? Or something else

GrandpaFlump · 21/02/2025 13:07

izimbra · 19/02/2025 22:29

Oh, please say how you've been victimised and oppressed by people who are against bigotry towards LGBTQ.

I could do with a laugh.

Also - maybe put your copy of the Daily Mail down and do a bit of reading about what fascism is. (hint - it doesn't generally involve support for minorities)

Many women have been harassed and arrested. Women have been threatened with death and rape, including JKR, who had TRAs track down her house and share her address.

In Scotland there were no rape crisis centres that were women only until JKR funded one, for which she received more death threats!

I had to deregister a SM account where I’d been outspoken on the topic of autistic girls transitioning and the risk of growing out of typical teenage autistic dysphoria (however it presents itself) and regretting losing their fertility and breasts, and increasing their chance of illness and early death. I was rewarded by being banned from several autism support groups, I was also sent threatening PMs by TRAs, some with dick pics to show what I was going to be raped with. Compared to what other women have faced this is mild.

Don’t you dare come on here and belittle the women who’ve worked hard for years to retain women’s hard fought for rights.

If you’d read anything about any of this, or taken a smidge of interest in women’s rights, you would perhaps understand why Labour have pushed so many away, what with their delight in screwing women over!

The TQ+ have Trojan horse’s their way in under the guise of inclusivity and progression. They may be a minority but they have captured health services, businesses, academia, policing, government, education, and safeguarding in a worrying way.

Edited to add: I was a proud lefty, until I saw the behaviour of the left towards women.
I am not voting for any party now, as far as I’m concerned they can all fuck off, corrupt twatbags the lot of them.

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/02/2025 13:29

@GrandpaFlump I am a lefty. If you really had been a lefty you would have understood that anyone campaigns against the government for anything gets varying degrees of harassment. Anyone who has been active in the left and campaigned knows this.

Crikeyalmighty · 21/02/2025 13:30

@Batmanisaplaceinturkey 100% - Hitler was popular initially, made out everything was for the good of its people and the enemies were 'people not like them'

Crikeyalmighty · 21/02/2025 13:34

@Dotjones I would hardly call Starmer extreme - and I'm a centre left voter . He's very much centre/centre left

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/02/2025 13:42

Starmer is about as centrist as it comes.
If you think he is an extreme lefty your starting position must be fascists. Because compared to fascists, yes he is an extreme lefty as he believes in democracy and the law applying to everyone equally.

EasternStandard · 21/02/2025 13:46

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/02/2025 13:29

@GrandpaFlump I am a lefty. If you really had been a lefty you would have understood that anyone campaigns against the government for anything gets varying degrees of harassment. Anyone who has been active in the left and campaigned knows this.

This seems to gloss over what @GrandpaFlump is saying

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/02/2025 13:49

EasternStandard · 21/02/2025 13:46

This seems to gloss over what @GrandpaFlump is saying

How? GrandpaFlump claims to have been a proud lefty, but is writing as if harassment of activists is a new phenomena.

Crikeyalmighty · 21/02/2025 14:00

@GrandpaFlump I am fed up of the whole subject of trans dominating agendas-I actually agree with JKR - it still wouldn't turn me right wing though because I disagree with them on so so many other issues and I certainly wouldn't vote for a party just on that issue- I would however say I hope that other issues become more important- it annoys me when whatever the subject matter this whole subject rears its head constantly.

EasternStandard · 21/02/2025 14:14

I don't get why people respond if the topic isn't of interest.

@GrandpaFlump wrote well on the abuse and threats faced by women

Llttledrummergirl · 21/02/2025 14:15

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/02/2025 13:29

@GrandpaFlump I am a lefty. If you really had been a lefty you would have understood that anyone campaigns against the government for anything gets varying degrees of harassment. Anyone who has been active in the left and campaigned knows this.

They also would have looked into the information below the headlines.

EasternStandard · 21/02/2025 14:20

Crikeyalmighty · 21/02/2025 14:00

@GrandpaFlump I am fed up of the whole subject of trans dominating agendas-I actually agree with JKR - it still wouldn't turn me right wing though because I disagree with them on so so many other issues and I certainly wouldn't vote for a party just on that issue- I would however say I hope that other issues become more important- it annoys me when whatever the subject matter this whole subject rears its head constantly.

I'm not sure this is effective anymore.

Looking at recent US elections,

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/02/2025 14:25

Llttledrummergirl · 21/02/2025 14:15

They also would have looked into the information below the headlines.

I agree with you. So many people who are now supporting fascism claiming to be diehard lefties in the past. I do not believe them. Yes maybe you voted for Tony Blair, along with a lot of previous party conservative supporters, that does not mean you have been involved in campaigning or activism in the left or have any real understanding of the underlying basic principles.