Caroline Flack - is it now time to just leave the poor woman to rest in peace?

[HarrietMartineau]

Sorry, but I think the new TV documentary is not in the best interests of anyone. It’s demeaning to Caroline’s memory, not helping anyone, least of all her mum. I am tired of talking heads popping up talking about Caroline, please just let her rest in peace. She didn't want things made public when she was alive, and I don't think she would like this.

Are you joking?? Men do this all the time and huge numbers get away with it. Especially if they're popular, especially if they're in the public eye, especially if they have money and influence. All the time.

Yes, look at Chris Brown and Dr Luke - thriving careers, collabs with male artists constantly - but who is vilified if they work with them? Women. The ONLY ones who are attacked are women. The only rage about Katy Perry working with Dr Luke on her album was toward Katy Perry - no one was asking why Dr Luke was still in a position of power to begin with.

Tips on how to get that out there without actually verbalising it? I don't know how you garner public opinion on something without connecting with the public in, for instance, an open forum type setting.....

It was desperately sad what happened to her, but I've thought the amount of handwringing over it has been very excessive, particularly given it was her own actions that got her in trouble in the first place.

It sounds like her mum is desperate to pin the blame on anyone, her friends, her boyfriend or the police, rather than recognising the only person to blame was Caroline, and trying to move on from this crusade. Just because she killed herself afterwards doesn't remove any responsibility or mean the police were wrong to want to prosecute.

Gosh, how has it been 5 years?

Her mum seems to want to be deflecting any blame from herself or CF. She is blaming friends for not staying with her etc..... why wasn't she there looking after her? She was not her friends responsibility. The only person to blame in all of this is CF.

I think she needed help

When she took her own life I was so so poorly. If it wasn't for dd, who was almost a year old atp, I'd be dead.

I remember sobbing at just how awful everything was and really felt for her. I don't usually connect so heavily to celebs but I feel a weird kinship with her. Mad of course 😭😭 but its there

When the pandemic hit, my life did not change. I'd been indoors anyway and had no-one anyway

I can't stand Laura Whitmore, and although I didn't read the messages, I just think she's a grifter. When she took the love island job, she talked about Caroline and how they were close friends and I just thought... sure

Caroline made some unwise choices. Dating Harry Styles was wrong but would've been enabled probably

But I think that she was also fairly normal for that industry. None of the celebs are perfect and I believe her ex when he said she was relatively harmless

You are so correct re Dr Luke. I'm usually pretty good with these sorts of things but even I found that I put blame on KP for working with him, and not him. I think it might be because is an us against them thing in my mind and probably because I expect more from women. Now I'm embarrassed by myself.

Not particularly a Liam Payne fan (sad a relatively young man died)but I agree. Unless you were present in the room how do any of know what happened. The man is dead and can't deny any of it. It's unfair to say he did these things without knowing. I thought his current gf had been happy with him.

I am tired of talking heads popping up talking about Caroline, please just let her rest in peace. She didn't want things made public when she was alive, and I don't think she would like this.

So you thought you'd start a public thread about her on one of the most popular/busiest parenting websites on the net?

Oh you are funny OP.

Now you've started a debate about her. If you genuinely care that much ask for the thread to be deleted- I bet you won't though!

I don’t know if someone else has replied to this so apologies if i’m driving the point home but thats what victims of domestic violence do, they minimise and cover up the abuse.

The police do not take domestic violence seriously, if there was evidence and motivation enough to charge her there’s no doubt in my mind he was just covering for her.

Victims of domestic violence come out with a lot of shit, especially while they’re under the influence of the abuser, false series of events and wildly inaccurate character references- thats all I see from that statement.

@mumofoneAlonebutokay When she took the love island job, she talked about Caroline and how they were close friends and I just thought... sure

Yes I remember right after Caroline died Laura was met off the plane by her husband, the Love Island voiceover man (sorry don't know his name) and a load of photographers. Then they both went straight to the airport Starbucks and the photographers took shots of them queuing, followed by wandering round the airport with their takeaway cups. She put a statement out afterwards saying they had stayed in the airport to talk about Caroline together. If one of my friends had just died and I was distraught with paps all around me then I'd be getting the hell out of the airport and getting a coffee at my hotel.

Also I was astounded that when talking about the messages she sent to Caroline she said she hoped she was somewhere lovely, like rehab 😮.

Also OT, but I do sincerely hope that life is better for you now 💐.

This.

Just one great example of how

"but, but but if the genders were reversed"...

is a load of bollocks.

There are so, so many vile, abusive, problematic male celebrities in both Hollywood and sports and no one gives a damn while they are alive and when they die they are spoken about like saints.

Was Caroline an abuser? Yes.

But let's not pretend that people are acting any differently towards her because she is a woman. In fact, I would say that she has been far more sullied in death by the whole thing than a man would ever be.

I made the mistake of watching the first one and was horrified at the part where her mum said she'd hate her talking about her mental illness and a whole bunch of other things. I thought it was a horrific level of betrayal rather than protecting her daughter's wishes.

Which is precisely what my point relates to.

My thoughts exactly. Her (Whitmore) and that awful husband of hers are everywhere

Oh thank you ❤️

Yes, I'm doing better. Not perfect but okay and able to cope better. It's just me and dd and our cat now. When I heard the Caroline flack news, I was staying with the sperm donor. He wanted us out, even though i was clearly out of my mind unwell.
Its coming up to 5 years since we left. Can't believe it!

Ian and Laura weren't her friends imo. They didn't seem to care about her at all. I'm reading the messages - they're all about how she hopes Laura gets the role? Nothing about their friendship, chats about mundane stuff?!

The messages from caroline just seem like professional ones tbh

And the accompanying message is rude, agree with the rehab comment

Why would she post this? It's like she's worried about how her taking the job looks. 'Oh look, the suicidal woman who's life was imploding wanted me to take her job'

Disgusting woman. And her and Ian just walking around the airport after her passing screams guilty to me. Agree, surely a normal reaction would be to get away from the paps. its like they were trying to seem to be reacting in a 'normal' way.

In my mind, I'll always think they had a hand in her suffering.

Wasn’t he in the papers saying what an awful woman she was, or was that the previous bf - yeah, he said she’d physically abused him too and was awful, then when she committed suicide he was overcome with grief and saying how wonderful she was and how evil the press were for driving her to it 🤷🏼‍♀️