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Council spends £8000pa on a taxi due to VAT on private schools

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 17/02/2025 08:10

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14403627/Labours-VAT-raid-teenage-girl-private-school-council-fund-8-000-taxi-bill.html

So now a place is being taken up in an overscribed school, a 15 year old has had her eduction severely disrupted and the local council has 8k less in the pot.

Well done Labour!!! One of many stories, i'm sure and so predictable.

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Convolvulus · 17/02/2025 17:32

Araminta1003 · 17/02/2025 09:05

If this family have 2 other DC, will they have the right to attend the same far away state school (sibling priority) and get the same transport there? Would make sense. I suspect if the state school is good, this family may well end up doing that. We may well find that lots of ex private school parents will end up gaming the system to their advantage. All reasonably foreseeable. Not sure what the Government can do about that as it is their legal right? It seems to me that there is a lot of anger about this VAT policy so people may not act rationally and may well be exhausting every legal right they have at their disposal. It is really something that should have been planned for and foreseen.

That won't work. The family would have to show in the case of each sibling that there is no nearer suitable school, which doesn't sound likely given the information given upthread about vacancies in Lincolnshire schools.

Convolvulus · 17/02/2025 17:34

bigvig · 17/02/2025 09:37

This! School taxis is the reason council tax is out of control. Sorry but get your own bloody child to school or home educate.

Well, no, that isn't the reason. Have a good look at your local council's budget if you doubt that.

Araminta1003 · 17/02/2025 17:36

Hopefully the fact that these articles are in the press will make LAs think twice before not allocating a school place within a reasonable distance to a school child displaced by a Central Government tax policy. So win win, the LAs won’t want to pay for transport and this sets a precedent. I assume that is the reason the family went to the press. Let it be a warning to other LAs to pull out the stop to make local academies accommodate private school kids who cannot afford private school anymore. I do not understand why they would not want to anyway. If most of them are going to be privileged and of a good academic standard then the local state schools should be happy to have them. It means extra funding etc from next year as well. It is obviously not ideal half way through a school year either and the Government should at least be compensating state schools for that aspect.

StrivingForSleep · 17/02/2025 17:36

@AlleycatMarie but what you are talking about isn’t home education (even if it takes place at home as the alternative provision sometimes does). Provision under section 19 of the Education Act 1996 &/or section 61 of the Children and Families Act 2014 is not home education.

Plantatreetoday · 17/02/2025 17:38

Convolvulus · 17/02/2025 17:34

Well, no, that isn't the reason. Have a good look at your local council's budget if you doubt that.

Agree @Convolvulus if you look @bigvig

Local Councils are suffering due to increased funding for

  • adult social care ( overriding inc in 18-64yr olds)
  • housing ( paying rent to supplement peoples income )

looking in the tiny tiny small print for costs of taxis to schools…..nope……not the problem.

Digdongdoo · 17/02/2025 17:41

Kitte321 · 17/02/2025 17:10

This thread seems to highlight that some people think it’s not an issue that there are no local school alternatives for children displaced during the school year due to the VAT introduction.

I do. These are kids at the end of the day and their schooling and treatment should matter. Even if they are ‘privileged’.

There are alternatives. 25 miles away. Wouldn't have happened had she joined with her cohort, and probably won't need to be long term.

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 17/02/2025 17:42

Washinghanginginthesun · 17/02/2025 17:11

A brexiteer I presume?

No complete opposite. Interesting train of thought that you must’ve had.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/02/2025 17:44

Digdongdoo · 17/02/2025 17:41

There are alternatives. 25 miles away. Wouldn't have happened had she joined with her cohort, and probably won't need to be long term.

Her parents have saved the state over £16k by paying for Y7, Y8 and part of Y9.

I think it highly unlikely that she will be moving school again before 6th form. So what do you consider long-term?

Convolvulus · 17/02/2025 17:45

TempestTost · 17/02/2025 17:25

Yeah, it's interesting.

On threads where kids have to go to a far away school due to SEN, the idea that parents ought to pay for transport seems to be overwhelmingly rejected. Or that they should drive them, or change work arrangements to do so.

The fact that she was in private school and isn't now is not relevant from what I can see. The whole tax is on the basis that supposedly private education is a luxury, and we want to make it more difficult for people to access in order to level the playing field.

So it has worked, this child is now in public school - why wouldn't the parents get all the same provision for transport as anyone else?

I agree that these parents are perfectly entitled to the transport, as they have presumably satisfied their local authority that they meet the relevant criteria.

I do however think that they could have secured a closer place by appealing and going on the Fair Access scheme, and that would presumably have been much better for their daughter in terms of not wasting time travelling and being closer to her friends.

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 17/02/2025 17:45

Araminta1003 · 17/02/2025 16:45

The whole premise of a VAT on education is that it is better to strive less and use public services instead. People are being incentivised to make that choice by the Government. So if one family makes that choice, there should hardly be outrage about it. It is exactly what they have been told to do, indirectly. Use state education, do the right thing and claim what you are entitled to.
Too many people have been paying too much tax and not claiming enough back from the state. As a result, their wages got higher and those wages of others were kept low and others were incentived to work less hours and claim universal credit top ups.
This is a whole rejigging of society. Everyone needs to pay more tax and contribute more who is able-bodied and aim to work at least 4 days a week. Wages should become more equal and tax rates and contributions into the pot should also become more equal. Then there will be less envy all round.

The people who strive hardest are those in state schools surely. You and many other posters are using the elitist language of division

Digdongdoo · 17/02/2025 17:49

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/02/2025 17:44

Her parents have saved the state over £16k by paying for Y7, Y8 and part of Y9.

I think it highly unlikely that she will be moving school again before 6th form. So what do you consider long-term?

So? That was their choice, this is the consequence. She has a place, transport is being funded. The family are not hard done by and the tax payer will be off the hook before too long.
I said it probably wouldn't need to be long term. Assuming they are using the usual admissions procedure and waiting lists I'm sure a more local place will open up at some point. If they choose to stay that's their choice.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/02/2025 17:52

Convolvulus · 17/02/2025 17:45

I agree that these parents are perfectly entitled to the transport, as they have presumably satisfied their local authority that they meet the relevant criteria.

I do however think that they could have secured a closer place by appealing and going on the Fair Access scheme, and that would presumably have been much better for their daughter in terms of not wasting time travelling and being closer to her friends.

But a closer school might well not be as good as this one. And their daughter won't be close to her friends given she's been at a private school for at least the last 3 years.

Why on earth would you go on waiting lists and use FAP if the council have offered you a place in a great school?

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/02/2025 17:55

Digdongdoo · 17/02/2025 17:49

So? That was their choice, this is the consequence. She has a place, transport is being funded. The family are not hard done by and the tax payer will be off the hook before too long.
I said it probably wouldn't need to be long term. Assuming they are using the usual admissions procedure and waiting lists I'm sure a more local place will open up at some point. If they choose to stay that's their choice.

I imagine they are pretty happy with the current outcome.

Doesn't mean that you wouldn't see the utter absurdity of a policy designed to increase money in the pot resulting in a net cost of £16k a year instead of £0...

TempestTost · 17/02/2025 17:58

Digdongdoo · 17/02/2025 09:02

Of course it's their fault. Why would anyone think schools have spare spaces sitting around just in case? Don't be so daft.

Clearly the Labour Party thought so.

Where else did they think all the kids who would have to leave private schools would go?

That's actually the point of their policy, to reduce access to private education.

Phial · 17/02/2025 17:58

On a slight tangent here but how do taxis work if you want to do after school activities or if you were to get a sudden detention? Is it flexible, do you arrange on a daily/weekly basis?
The people I know in taxis travel as a small group and have to travel at the same time each day like a school bus.
I don't think I would be going out of my way to pick a school with transport if there was a nearer option available especially as she seems a sporty girl. It could end up being a bit inconvenient if she was playing matches or attending clubs, etc.

TickingAlongNicely · 17/02/2025 18:00

Phial · 17/02/2025 17:58

On a slight tangent here but how do taxis work if you want to do after school activities or if you were to get a sudden detention? Is it flexible, do you arrange on a daily/weekly basis?
The people I know in taxis travel as a small group and have to travel at the same time each day like a school bus.
I don't think I would be going out of my way to pick a school with transport if there was a nearer option available especially as she seems a sporty girl. It could end up being a bit inconvenient if she was playing matches or attending clubs, etc.

No flexibility, same as any school transport.

Plantatreetoday · 17/02/2025 18:02

Phial · 17/02/2025 17:58

On a slight tangent here but how do taxis work if you want to do after school activities or if you were to get a sudden detention? Is it flexible, do you arrange on a daily/weekly basis?
The people I know in taxis travel as a small group and have to travel at the same time each day like a school bus.
I don't think I would be going out of my way to pick a school with transport if there was a nearer option available especially as she seems a sporty girl. It could end up being a bit inconvenient if she was playing matches or attending clubs, etc.

Hopefully her interests and sporting activities won’t be negatively impacted.
Although I doubt it.

Kpo58 · 17/02/2025 18:02

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 17/02/2025 16:42

I can’t believe this thread has gone on so long, so many people claiming it’s an unfair tax. How is it unfair? It’s a tax on a product that you buy why should you be exempt?

Because they are saving the state the cost of educating their children.

In this case the council are much worse off now that this child is no longer privately educated as they now have to find somewhere to put her, pay the extra costs for educating her and the cost of transport to said school.

So instead of costing the council £0 to have her educated privately, she is now costing them at least 10k per year for a likely worse job at it.

OneLemonGuide · 17/02/2025 18:02

@Araminta1003

Hopefully the fact that these articles are in the press will make LAs think twice before not allocating a school place within a reasonable distance to a school child displaced by a Central Government tax policy.

If there was a place at a nearer school, the Council would allocate it,
obviously! The Council are hardly going to deliberately allocate a place further away, and totally unnecessary pay the transport bill, are they!

Plantatreetoday · 17/02/2025 18:04

Kpo58 · 17/02/2025 18:02

Because they are saving the state the cost of educating their children.

In this case the council are much worse off now that this child is no longer privately educated as they now have to find somewhere to put her, pay the extra costs for educating her and the cost of transport to said school.

So instead of costing the council £0 to have her educated privately, she is now costing them at least 10k per year for a likely worse job at it.

It’s costing the LA £16,210 per year more !

@Iwanttoliveonamountain

WhitegreeNcandle · 17/02/2025 18:04

StrivingForSleep · 17/02/2025 17:17

@AlleycatMarie if parents EHE, the LA does not have or provide provision. The vast majority of provision for EHE’ed DC is funded by the parents.

In a very small minority of cases a small minority of LAs will give a small personal budget to a very small minority of DC with EHCPs who EHE. It isn’t common at all. EOTAS/EOTIS is different, the child’s education remains the responsibility of the LA, but that isn’t EHE.

Some colleges offer a basic provision for EHE’ed KS4 pupils but it nowhere covers the whole the cost of EHE. This is usually funded by the ESFA.

Completely missing the point of the thread but you need a bloody good education to understand all the acronyms involved in the education world 😂

Whotenanny · 17/02/2025 18:05

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Iwanttoliveonamountain · 17/02/2025 18:05

Kpo58 · 17/02/2025 18:02

Because they are saving the state the cost of educating their children.

In this case the council are much worse off now that this child is no longer privately educated as they now have to find somewhere to put her, pay the extra costs for educating her and the cost of transport to said school.

So instead of costing the council £0 to have her educated privately, she is now costing them at least 10k per year for a likely worse job at it.

Your post is insulting to state schools. Her parents have chosen to force the daughter to travel 25 miles to a school to prove a point. It’s ridiculous. There are always a minority who will want to work the system in their favour. Fortunately, it’s a small minority.

Digdongdoo · 17/02/2025 18:06

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/02/2025 17:55

I imagine they are pretty happy with the current outcome.

Doesn't mean that you wouldn't see the utter absurdity of a policy designed to increase money in the pot resulting in a net cost of £16k a year instead of £0...

It's a lot of money to you and I, but in the scheme of things it's not that big of a deal. And who knows how long she will stay there. Most parents would probably stay on waiting lists and move to a closer school for their child's sake.

Burnoutforever · 17/02/2025 18:06

Plantatreetoday · 17/02/2025 18:02

Hopefully her interests and sporting activities won’t be negatively impacted.
Although I doubt it.

Will they fine them for the 9-11 May though for the polo tournament in South Africa !

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