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Council spends £8000pa on a taxi due to VAT on private schools

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 17/02/2025 08:10

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14403627/Labours-VAT-raid-teenage-girl-private-school-council-fund-8-000-taxi-bill.html

So now a place is being taken up in an overscribed school, a 15 year old has had her eduction severely disrupted and the local council has 8k less in the pot.

Well done Labour!!! One of many stories, i'm sure and so predictable.

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Househunter2025 · 17/02/2025 12:11

Burnoutforever · 17/02/2025 12:07

Majority of secondary schools have after school clubs and the library open early and late in my area ?

After school club is normally primary. Never heard of a secondary offering this. They might have sports clubs but that wouldn't be more than an hour or so. She'd need to be there from 7 till 5 to facilitate mum's job 8-4. Bit much to expect the poor child to hang around for 3.5 hours at school each day!

kellygoeswest · 17/02/2025 12:11

NotSayingImBatman · 17/02/2025 11:58

Everyone is entitled to appeal for any school they want. You can re-appeal every school year if you'd like. Mum in the article says she asked schools if they had places, they said no, then she put her daughter onto the waiting list for a school 25 miles away. She could've appealed for every school closer than 25 miles away but didn't bother, and as someone who works in school appeals, my mind would be boggled if an appeal panel thought a 50 mile round trip posed a "reasonable alternative".

In one of the articles (the FT one I think) the mum states that they'd actually paid the private fees up until April. It seems a little irrational that they pulled her out of school in December - when she still had several months left already paid for at the private school - rather than go the route of appealing or being waitlisted.

It feels the family are pushing this to make a point, especially considering they've gone to the papers several times about it.

(To add, I don't resent the council for paying for the transportation to the school.)

Househunter2025 · 17/02/2025 12:11

GoldVermillion · 17/02/2025 12:05

So they might as well have paid the fees, they haven't really saved themselves any money, but mum is I assume now losing NI stamps, pension contributions and so on.

But she has made her political point so it was all worth it....

Mum didn't give up - she changed to night shifts

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 17/02/2025 12:12

Araminta1003 · 17/02/2025 11:27

“Anyway, this is exactly what Labour wants. Adding VAT to fees has little to do with raising money and a lot to do with appeasing the far left of their party and destroying the nasty private schools. They don’t care how much money they make or don’t make from VAT on fees”

That is not what people voted for. We voted for breakfast clubs and 6500 additional teachers.

And how are those 6500 teachers coming along?

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kellygoeswest · 17/02/2025 12:14

Househunter2025 · 17/02/2025 12:11

Mum didn't give up - she changed to night shifts

In one of the articles she mentioned that the change of role meant she was worse off around £2,000 a month

Emptyflames · 17/02/2025 12:15

babyproblems · 17/02/2025 11:18

agree.
also - what a surprise this is in the daily fail.
It’s definitely not ‘one of many’ op. This is the sort of scare mongering the daily mail run all the time- surely you’re not sucked in by it?? It’s an incredibly rare situation and the parents’ can definitely afford it imo. Ridiculous sensationalised and biased ‘reporting’.

Yes - if it was "one of many" then it would not be single family on the news being outraged.

I have no issue with transport being provided.

I am confused (as stated above) that the fees went up by £1k a term and the mother had to stop working and earning £2k a month....

Hamilton6382 · 17/02/2025 12:16

Completelyjo · 17/02/2025 08:24

Also if she was pulled out of private in December at 13 why did they enrol her the year before if they couldn’t sustain a 20% increase in fees? Most schools increase their fees by at least 10% annually anyway.

I understand your rage, clearly the provision for the LA to provide transport should be means tested. You aren’t wrong.

On that basis why not make state schools means tested as the majority of wealthy families use them.

Maybe a £1k per term per child contribution would be a fair sum for higher earners to pay.

Washinghanginginthesun · 17/02/2025 12:16

Househunter2025 · 17/02/2025 12:08

Stupid council really. I'm sure they could have found a place closer. Unless they live in a very rural area with hardly any schools. Round here there are about 20 secondary schools in a 10 mile radius - surely she could be squeezed in somewhere - there are no class size caps on secondary schools

Someone mentioned Lincolnshire? That is a pretty rural county.

Convolvulus · 17/02/2025 12:17

I really don't believe this is "one of many stories" as you suggest. The Mail must have dug long and hard to find this one. It is very difficult to believe that this family couldn't have found a place in a closer school if they had appealed and put their child's name on waiting lists.

Househunter2025 · 17/02/2025 12:17

Travelodge · 17/02/2025 12:04

OP, the DM are being transparently silly with their usual Labour-bashing and you are just echoing them. If the parents sorted out transport themselves, they would still be much better off than they were when paying for the private school. They have just chosen to do this. I’m not saying they’re not entitled to, but it’s their choice.

To be fair if you had the choice of paying 8k a year for a taxi or getting it free, which would you choose?

JenniferBooth · 17/02/2025 12:17

No wonder you can never get a taxi at certain times of the day. I dont drive and when i had to go with my elderly mother to her surgery last month we had to tell the surgery we couldnt do appointments during school run times because there are no cabs

Boohoo76 · 17/02/2025 12:17

Emptyflames · 17/02/2025 08:50

£8,000 against

How will the extra money be spent?
The government estimates that the policy will raise an extra £460m in 2024/25, rising to £1.7bn by 2029/30.

Will private school fees go up for everyone?
Applying VAT does not necessarily mean fees will go up by 20%. Some private schools may decide to put up their fees more than others.
On average, the government expects fees to increase by around 10%.
The average cost of private school fees has risen by 55% since 2003, even without VAT, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) think tanks says.

And how did the Government get the 10% expected increase figure? It’s total bollocks. They have just picked that figure out of thin air. Private schools not only have to deal with the VAT increase, they also have the loss of business rates exemption, the employers NI increases, and the increased contribution to the TPS (for those that are still in it).

Noideawhatiam · 17/02/2025 12:17

There is a, poorly performing, school in Stamford that had a huge surplus of places in the current year 9 cohort, I wonder if this family really do live closer to Oakham than that?

Vinvertebrate · 17/02/2025 12:18

My DS gets a taxi to his specialist school which is funded by the LA, as do most pupils of the 100-odd pupils there. The costs must be astronomical. Ironically I could easily get him there myself, as it’s only in the next town for us, but the LA were such utter twunts to deal with over DS’ SEN and EHCP (weaponised incompetence, unlawful exclusions, denial, obfuscation, etc), that I laughingly rinse the arseholes for every penny. I know that’s not great (and you probably had to be there to appreciate how utterly mendacious they were), but I kind of get where the girl’s mum has ended up. 🤷🏻‍♀️

NotSayingImBatman · 17/02/2025 12:18

Househunter2025 · 17/02/2025 12:08

Stupid council really. I'm sure they could have found a place closer. Unless they live in a very rural area with hardly any schools. Round here there are about 20 secondary schools in a 10 mile radius - surely she could be squeezed in somewhere - there are no class size caps on secondary schools

Most secondaries are academies and deal with their own admissions, but if they're full she's free to appeal for a place anyway, which she didn't do.

Washinghanginginthesun · 17/02/2025 12:19

Emptyflames · 17/02/2025 12:15

Yes - if it was "one of many" then it would not be single family on the news being outraged.

I have no issue with transport being provided.

I am confused (as stated above) that the fees went up by £1k a term and the mother had to stop working and earning £2k a month....

Mum wasn’t just having to pay the increase

Househunter2025 · 17/02/2025 12:19

Washinghanginginthesun · 17/02/2025 12:16

Someone mentioned Lincolnshire? That is a pretty rural county.

Yes, true. Which makes it less crazy if it's fairly normal for kids to travelling a long way in that area. Round here it'd be like a kid from Liverpool going to school in Manchester

Convolvulus · 17/02/2025 12:19

Calmbell · 17/02/2025 08:24

I think it's ridiculous that we should be paying for any children to get to school. Surely getting your child to school is just part of being a parent?

Not if, through no fault of your own, there is no nearby school. Why should, for instance, the parent of a disabled child be forced to spend hours every week taking their child to and from school just because they are disabled and there are not enough suitable specialist schools in the area?

NotSayingImBatman · 17/02/2025 12:20

kellygoeswest · 17/02/2025 12:11

In one of the articles (the FT one I think) the mum states that they'd actually paid the private fees up until April. It seems a little irrational that they pulled her out of school in December - when she still had several months left already paid for at the private school - rather than go the route of appealing or being waitlisted.

It feels the family are pushing this to make a point, especially considering they've gone to the papers several times about it.

(To add, I don't resent the council for paying for the transportation to the school.)

Absolutely, the LEA is obliged to fund transport costs to the closest available school with a place if that school is more than 3 miles from the home address. She fits the criteria for transport, I'm just genuinely shocked that her parents would go to such great lengths to use their daughter to prove a point, completely ignoring the negative impact they're going to have on her social life and education.

Hamilton6382 · 17/02/2025 12:21

kellygoeswest · 17/02/2025 12:11

In one of the articles (the FT one I think) the mum states that they'd actually paid the private fees up until April. It seems a little irrational that they pulled her out of school in December - when she still had several months left already paid for at the private school - rather than go the route of appealing or being waitlisted.

It feels the family are pushing this to make a point, especially considering they've gone to the papers several times about it.

(To add, I don't resent the council for paying for the transportation to the school.)

Typically you have to give a terms notice to leave a private school. You also can’t apply for an in year transfer to a state school at a specific future date. You have to accept what you are offered immediately otherwise the LA has no requirement to find you an alternative if you reject it. This all means that it is almost inevitable that you end up having to pay an additional terms fees when you move from private to state despite not being able to use the private school for the final term.

Lovelysummerdays · 17/02/2025 12:21

Drfosters · 17/02/2025 11:51

Ok it would potentially differ for rural areas. My point being if 2 children live next to each other they should have the right to attend the same local school. If one child has a 10 minute walking commute and another child has an hour in a taxi then the first child has almost an extra hour to do extra curriculars and homework. That is breeding inequality and it is isn’t right. It is for the government to expand the schools to fit demand rather than shuffling children off to schools miles away.

I do think the Scottish catchment system works better this way. My kids get minibuses to school. If you were to be removed from private school a space would be found in the catchment school. You may have to wait till next academic year for transport as not guaranteed for in year transfers but in practice if there’s a space on the bus or they can rejig the other kids then you’ll get a spot. 25 miles to Secondary is not unusual commute where I stay although on the longer side. I’m about 8 miles away but the kids at the start of the run are over 30 for example.

TheEllisGreyMethod · 17/02/2025 12:22

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/02/2025 11:34

But why would you pay if you are entitled to a paid for taxi?

That is like saying that all private school parents who move to state schools should now pay the £8k/year cost of the state school because they were able to afford considerably more for the private school?

Should the multi-millionaire or the Lord whose children are at school with my DD have to pay extra for their state education?

No, it isn't like saying that at all.

I hope you have the same positive energy for people claiming the UC/PIP and other state benefits that they are entitled to.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 17/02/2025 12:24

tallcurvey · 17/02/2025 11:54

@Iwishicouldflyhigh

you read the daily mail?
that says it all.

Are you a Guardian reader? Does that make you superior in some way? Can you explain why? Using ‘Daily Mail Reader’ as an insult is strange as all the MSM outlets are biased in one way or the other and all of them spin the news to suit. You need to read/watch a selection (including (shock, horror) the Daily Mail to avoid getting into an echo chamber of hearing opinions which always agree with your own.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 17/02/2025 12:25

Sdpbody · 17/02/2025 09:42

We have both said that if we have to pull our DDs out of PS, we will absolutely make the council pay for transport. We live 5 miles from the local school.

Out of spite and principle would I make the council pay. They can use the 20% VAT they now have to fund it.

I would do the same.

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Whalesong · 17/02/2025 12:25

Burnoutforever · 17/02/2025 08:15

To be honest they should have just home educated her till a place came up nearer ? It’s not totally clear does the child mentioned have SEN of any sort ?

I fail to see how a family with a child in private school can’t arrange their own transport somehow really they say they couldn’t afford the fee increase but I would bet anything there would have been places they could cut back if they wanted to or could have arranged transport I think this is just making a point

Umm, why should they have to home educate their child?
If the government insists that the child should attend state school, then that's for the state to finance.

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