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To think a lot of horse owners don't deserve their animals?

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Goodnurseorgremlin · 16/02/2025 21:20

I keep my horse on a DIY livery yard. We have access to daily turnout with no time restrictions throughout the entire winter.

For the last three months the vast majority of the horses on the yard have had little to no turnout. Some literally stand in their stables for days/weeks at a time, with the owners mucking out around them. I could count on one hand the horses that are regularly turned out aside from my own

It just makes me so so sad. These poor animals being imprisoned for months at a time for no good reason. The owners basically can't be arsed to turn out and bring in because they don't want to walk to the fields or get themselves/their horses muddy.

AIBU to think these people don't deserve the privilege of caring for these amazing animals if they can't even be arsed to meet their basic need for freedom?

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Goodnurseorgremlin · 17/02/2025 19:11

A stabled horse should be visited at a minimum of twice a day.

Horses need to eat almost constantly. It is the way they are designed. These horses are getting a haynet, eating it and then standing for 10 plus hours with nothing to eat. It puts them at risk of colic/developing ulcers etc.

Leaving a horse stuck in a 12×12 stable and not taking it out for weeks at a time absolutely IS cruelty. Would you like to live in your bathroom and be fed once a day for a month??

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Goodnurseorgremlin · 17/02/2025 19:13

SnoozingFox · 17/02/2025 18:10

Isn't that what you pay stable staff to do? (no clue, I have never had a horse or had any desire to be anywhere near them)

It's a DIY yard. The owners are fully responsible for their horses care.

Also to clarify...all the owners have access to fields for daily winter turnout. It's not a case of us not having it, it's a case of people not being arsed to turn out.

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Needanewnameidea · 17/02/2025 19:24

SnoozingFox · 17/02/2025 18:10

Isn't that what you pay stable staff to do? (no clue, I have never had a horse or had any desire to be anywhere near them)

You can pay full livery, where someone takes care of your horse for you, but if OP is on a DIY yard that means horse care is down to the owner, you’re just paying for rent and sometimes hay/bedding depending on your yard arrangements.

You should expect to visit the horse at minimum twice a day (even if it lives out in a field 24/7 they need checking to make sure they’re ok and haven’t hurt themselves, water supply is working, they aren’t colicking etc), and that includes a fair amount of getting muddy, cold and rained on. It is not ok to keep your horse in its box just because you don’t want to walk it to its field or get muddy feet.

Horses are a lifestyle, they are not and have never been a low maintenance option. If you can’t fit proper horse care around work and family commitments you either pay for part/full livery where staff do some/all of the chores for you, or you don’t have horses. Not being actively cruel to it is a pretty shit and low bar for being a suitable owner, even if you don’t think locking it in a box and visiting once a day is actively cruel - which I do.

biscuitsandbooks · 17/02/2025 19:24

SnoozingFox · 17/02/2025 18:03

Only come to see them once a day? How often are they supposed to come? People work and have other responsibilities, are they expected to visit 3 times a day to get the horse out of bed in the morning and tuck it in at night?

Also "deserve" is a weird take on this - if people can afford to buy, keep and feed a horse, and aren't actively cruel to it, that's fine, isn't it? Horse owners aren't graded as to how well they are doing?

Yes, owners are expected to visit two times a day at a minimum to turn their horses out, feed them and just generally check on their welfare. If you can't do that (or can't afford to pay someone to do it) then you have no business getting a horse.

How would you like to be shut up in a box the size of your bathroom, fed once a day and isolated with no company for the rest of the time?

Because that's what life is like for horses who are shut up in their stables 24/7. It is actively cruel and should be illegal. If a horse has to be stabled for recovery or illness, then that's different, but owners should be making arrangements to visit more often and should provide enrichment for their horses during that time.

LennysRucksack · 17/02/2025 20:26

Sarahbackinthesaddle · 17/02/2025 16:36

Oh god the poor draft doing his circles has broken my heart

I know it was very sad - I wondered if he'd ever enjoy his freedom properly. But he did - for a horse that had hardly been anywhere and had full bars on his stable to stop him windsucking, he ended up being the most steady, sensible, relaxed hack and a very loving chap. let's not talk about the time he tanked off with me across the golf course the little shit

He did go on to one more home after me but he was very much loved, such a gorgeous looking and HUGE draft! He died peacefully in his stable at the age of 22. 🥹

Umidontknow · 18/02/2025 04:03

SnoozingFox · 17/02/2025 18:03

Only come to see them once a day? How often are they supposed to come? People work and have other responsibilities, are they expected to visit 3 times a day to get the horse out of bed in the morning and tuck it in at night?

Also "deserve" is a weird take on this - if people can afford to buy, keep and feed a horse, and aren't actively cruel to it, that's fine, isn't it? Horse owners aren't graded as to how well they are doing?

Horses living out with plenty of grazing can be checked once a day, but twice a day for stabled horses is a very basic requirement. Even if they are staying in they will need fresh water and more hay (their stomach starts to ulcerate after a few hours with out food. Their digestive system is designed to trickle feed forage) and ideally mucking out again so they arent just stood in their own shit for hours. Zero turnout for days/weeks/months is a welfare issue it just gets over looked because its easier for people. The owners having other things to do should not be the horses problem. They need to either pay for someone to do the horse when they can't or put in the work themselves.

ImAChangeling · 18/02/2025 04:12

I’m horrified that people are doing this to their horses. It’s completely unacceptable. I haven’t owned a horse for 20 years because I am realistic about the time commitment involved!!

ImAChangeling · 18/02/2025 04:16

My knowledge may be out dated but I was taught that a fully stabled horse needs visiting three times a day at minimum, and to be ridden for at least an hour each day. And to provide enrichment in the stable.

Poppinjay · 21/02/2025 22:11

Also "deserve" is a weird take on this - if people can afford to buy, keep and feed a horse, and aren't actively cruel to it, that's fine, isn't it? Horse owners aren't graded as to how well they are doing?

Horses are herd animals who are designed to graze. That means they need company, freedom to move and a constant supply of food. It is actively cruel not to meet these basic needs.

If you have to stable a horse for a while they should be able to see their stablemates, have someone checking several times a day to make sure they have hay and water, toys to entertain them, be put on a walker once a day and either ridden or hand-grazed once a day. Anything less is unacceptable.

Mama2many73 · 21/02/2025 22:53

Can I ask a genuine question?
In a large field near us there are 5 horses, 4 large black rough haired, 1 smaller brown sleek haired.
They are in the field 24/7, 365 days a year. The field is massive andvery open, ajoining 2 other fields with a simple wood bar type fence. The other 2 sides are fenced with some shrubs on the outer side of the fence. There is literally no shelter at all for the horses to use, and no buildings, and they are out in all weather's.
I know horses run wild in some parts of UK but often have some for of natural shelter they can shelter in, if they choose too.
All the other fields with horses have somewhere to shelter and/or they have the coats on. These 5 look heakthy, well fed and regularly have a new roll of hay but I've never seen anyone attend them, ever.
I feel very sorry for them, esp in bad weather, but I'm very soft and no nowt about horses!!
Is this normal/ acceptable?

Umidontknow · 22/02/2025 00:52

Mama2many73 · 21/02/2025 22:53

Can I ask a genuine question?
In a large field near us there are 5 horses, 4 large black rough haired, 1 smaller brown sleek haired.
They are in the field 24/7, 365 days a year. The field is massive andvery open, ajoining 2 other fields with a simple wood bar type fence. The other 2 sides are fenced with some shrubs on the outer side of the fence. There is literally no shelter at all for the horses to use, and no buildings, and they are out in all weather's.
I know horses run wild in some parts of UK but often have some for of natural shelter they can shelter in, if they choose too.
All the other fields with horses have somewhere to shelter and/or they have the coats on. These 5 look heakthy, well fed and regularly have a new roll of hay but I've never seen anyone attend them, ever.
I feel very sorry for them, esp in bad weather, but I'm very soft and no nowt about horses!!
Is this normal/ acceptable?

Ideally they should have shelter, whether it's hedges or a field shelter, but they sound like cobs. Their coat is very thick and greasy so they are pretty waterproof if they are left to their own devices. Rugging and over grooming can strip the coat of the grease though and cobs can over heat in rugs if they aren't clipped. If they have plenty to eat too that will help them regulate their body temperature and hold their weight. Over all they are probably far happier than a horse that's over stabled even if they are a bit soggy and muddy

WiddlinDiddlin · 22/02/2025 05:08

The pretty much universal abuse and welfare issues surrounding horse ownership is why I gravitated away from horses and toward dogs (professionally) in my youth.

Pretty much all of owning a horse means compromise and it is the horse that does the compromising, not the human.

Horses are meant to be wandering around over many miles per day, eating as they go, dozing periodically, covering a variety of terrain and existing on a continuous trickle feed of low calorie grasses.

They live in social groups from just a pair that may shift and change over time to large groups.

They are adapted for dry climates, but varying temperatures.

What do we do to horses?

We keep them in isolation, we stop them moving, we stop them forming social groups or force them into groups they would not choose that cause them stress. We prevent them grazing because we keep them on wet ground with high moisture, high calorie grass (designed for grazing cattle on to produce milk/beef), then we feed them grains to provide the calories they failed to get...

We shut them into tiny spaces, ride them long before their bodies are done growing, breed them to have non-functional conformation and a predisposition toward painful conditions (look at the stats for how many Thoroughbreds have kissing spine), train them using positive punishment and negative reinforcement almost exclusively.

We hack up their feet because we stopped them moving naturally and freely over terrain, we fuck up their mouths with bits or their faces with pressure halters, their backs with saddles, their ribs with girths.

And then bitch and moan that our horse is an 'asshole' and 'naughty'.

This of course, isn't everyone - but it is the majority unfortunately because most people don't own land, or sufficient land to keep horses appropriately anyway. With the best will in the world, it is impossible for most people to meet all of a horses demands, and so much of it is accepted as 'the norm'.. because it is so common.

biscuitsandbooks · 22/02/2025 12:28

Mama2many73 · 21/02/2025 22:53

Can I ask a genuine question?
In a large field near us there are 5 horses, 4 large black rough haired, 1 smaller brown sleek haired.
They are in the field 24/7, 365 days a year. The field is massive andvery open, ajoining 2 other fields with a simple wood bar type fence. The other 2 sides are fenced with some shrubs on the outer side of the fence. There is literally no shelter at all for the horses to use, and no buildings, and they are out in all weather's.
I know horses run wild in some parts of UK but often have some for of natural shelter they can shelter in, if they choose too.
All the other fields with horses have somewhere to shelter and/or they have the coats on. These 5 look heakthy, well fed and regularly have a new roll of hay but I've never seen anyone attend them, ever.
I feel very sorry for them, esp in bad weather, but I'm very soft and no nowt about horses!!
Is this normal/ acceptable?

Most native type horses will be absolutely fine with that kind of set-up. The only real reason many horses need rugs is because they're clipped or because they're not native horses and therefore aren't really designed for damp or windy climates like ours.

Horses left "natural" will grow up winter coats and eat more to maintain their temperature - they don't need rugs or lots of intervention from us.

AzurePanda · 23/02/2025 19:16

@biscuitsandbooks yes I’m sure they’re much happier and healthier than horses who spend most of their time stabled.

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