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To think the Ofsted inspector who blames WFH parents for low attendance is probably just resentful?

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:28

The Chief Inspector of Ofsted is blaming parents who WFH for the demise of school attendance https://www.itv.com/news/2025-02-16/parents-working-from-home-makes-children-feel-school-is-optional-ofsted-head?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ULgukQnTsabNTlcJRBI4kVQsMYkhCPK_KA4lUAgVkxOocYfo3onmRNHU_aem_nuBknA_QEGgfA93CaTPagg. Apparently none of us want to take our slippers off so we let our kids stay at home while we work.

He makes some REALLY weird points like his overworked dad he didn’t see much as his inspiration to go to school. And also MPs making sure they spend weekends with their families is a bad work ethic.

I know MN is a good example of whenever WFH threads are brought up, non-WFHers come on dripping with resentment over WFH and implying WFHers don’t really work. AIBU to think this man - who has somehow been knighted - is basically doing that? I’m not sure how much inspecting he does now, but Ofsted inspectors aren’t any superior or harder working just because they spend a few days working away from home at a time (something BTW I’m expected to do, at least 1 overnight a month).

Also as someone from a household where 2 of us WFH, I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work. I’m FT, and this week I’m off Weds-Fri, as is DH. my DD11 will be at home tomorrow with strict instructions to keep away unless there’s a serious emergency (she’s secondary and old enough to take care of herself) and at a friend’s on Tuesday. My DS is 8 and is going into a holiday club tomorrow and Tuesday as his neediness is unbearable. Both have somewhere between 97 and 99% attendance so far this academic year.

YABU - “He’s got a point”
YANBU - “He’s wrong/resentful”

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ThePartingOfTheWays · 16/02/2025 22:54

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 16/02/2025 22:27

But ‘Cos Covid’ really doesn’t cut it now. It’s a poor excuse. Will we have adults refusing to work because they couldn’t go to school for a term and a half when they were in Year 2? The country’s finances won’t stand for it, hence the hardening of attitudes.

It's immaterial whether anyone thinks it's a poor excuse. Don't conflate should and is.

If I'm wrong about the change in social contract, I'm wrong because I've misidentified that, not because someone isn't happy about the implications.

I don't know what long term impact this might have. There's clearly no automatic statute of limitations on shifts in social attitudes, though. Neither is a view that national finances require higher school attendance going to do anything to change parental attitudes in itself.

Theunamedcat · 16/02/2025 23:29

In years past it was the norm for one parent to work and one to stay home what was attendance like back then?

Lessexpected · 16/02/2025 23:36

2024YR4 · 16/02/2025 14:44

Perhaps parents who WFH or are SAHP are just able to keep their dc off when necessary rather than sending ill children to school? Looking at some schools info sheets on when to send dc in it seems they want them in when not well at all. Maybe the focus needs to be on why schools have these ridiculous targets and expectations for children to be in unwell (when they won’t be receptive to learning anyway ?)

100% this. Normalise being ill and staying home because a parent has used their own judgement. I’m sick of being harassed by the school to fill in forms and then take further phone calls even though I’ve done the forms in first instance in a timely fashion. I only keep my child off if they’re sick!

Lessexpected · 16/02/2025 23:43

Theunamedcat · 16/02/2025 23:29

In years past it was the norm for one parent to work and one to stay home what was attendance like back then?

This is my problem with the war on WFH. In years past, fewer women had big jobs. We need big jobs now to pay half mortgage. Plus everything costs more. My school has just asked us for two trips to bloody theme
parks. Zero educational value but £100+ required to foot the bill. We’re all killing ourselves to work more but yet it’s impossible without an element of WFH and flexibility. But schools and all these so-called ‘important people’ now want to take that off us too!

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How is that relevant?

BlueSilverCats · 17/02/2025 07:29

Oliver said several other factors were also affecting attendance, including poor mental health, such as anxiety and depression,and a lack of funding for services such as school nurses and child psychologists, as well as difficulties luring children away from their screens.

I love how this is just one paragraph, and no mention of physical health and waiting times for diagnosis/treatment (for all types of health), but going on and on about parents in their slippers being a bad example.

Yeah, it's all bollocks.

PixiePonies · 17/02/2025 07:47

JustMyView13 · 16/02/2025 15:03

It’s probably got more to do with schools closing over Covid, kids being abandoned in a lot of cases (from an education standpoint), schools closing on strike days.

Marketing the importance of attending school is somewhat undermined when the schools themselves seemingly close ‘when it suits’.

Agreed.

i have actually read the full article. In terms of the new report card - I agree with what he says. Frankly the unions seem to want no report cards at all except one saying ‘fabulous of course’.

on the WFH - the stats in the article for not ‘support’ him. They are meaningless. Correlation does not equal causation. He has not identified the cause - he’s just got an opinion.

unlimiteddilutingjuice · 17/02/2025 08:01

The comment about Westminster clearing out on Thursday night is very ignorant.
Friday is the day that MPs generally do constituency stuff.
So on Thursday afternoon they'll be travelling back to their constituencies (some hundreds of mikes away).
On Fridays they'll be running advice surgeries, catching up with constituency staff, going to meetings about local issues etc.
It's not a day off to piss about.

Britishsavoy · 17/02/2025 08:03

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ThePartingOfTheWays · 17/02/2025 08:14

He's having quite the week for crap ideas. This comes hot on the heels of extend term times, earlier this week. The teacher and TA recruitment crisis isn't quite bad enough, it would seem.

BlueSilverCats · 17/02/2025 08:19

ThePartingOfTheWays · 17/02/2025 08:14

He's having quite the week for crap ideas. This comes hot on the heels of extend term times, earlier this week. The teacher and TA recruitment crisis isn't quite bad enough, it would seem.

Basically, everyone else(teachers and parents )is lazy and not working hard enough, except him and his dad.Grin

BogRollBOGOF · 17/02/2025 08:44

DS had a couple of years of bad luck with health from a chronic condition, slow recovery from an injury and a random surgical issue.
The one factor that could have helped with his attendance would be timely access to a GP to stop conditions escalating.

Last year I tried to contact the GP as his chronic condition was aggravating, but the 7 appointments they had for the day across their multiple practices were long gone and they sent a text out saying basically we have nothing, go to a pharmacy, the walk-in or A&E. Sitting in a crowded wating room for hours with contagiously ill people from across the city would not have been great for DS's health, so we carried on using his usual medication to the max dosage (which could have been a likely outcome anyway). A couple of weeks later he had a flare in school that couldn't be settled and it was a 999 call.

Strangely shirty letters from the school/ LA did nothing to improve DS's health.
DS ended up with "unauthorised" attendances for vomiting later in the school year because I didn't attempt to waste mine or the GP's time to make an appointment to prove that DS had a simple illness that required 48 hours rest out of school in line with the school's own bloody policy 🤦‍♀️

The real issues are:
Timely access to health care
Appropriate provision for additional needs
Engaging with a small core of families who do not engage with the education system

Where WFH is a factor, it's in facilitating families to keep children off when mildly ill rather than dosing with Calpol and hoping for the best and risking infecting more children in the class.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 17/02/2025 09:06

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Oh wow! These are the bad apples. No less, chores done and whatever else on top.

There were sahp before but now you have those same people who fought to have a job want to still stay at home and get paid for doing little.

I don't dispute there are hard workers but a lot take liberties and spoil it for others.

Chillilounger · 17/02/2025 10:07

There is a massive backlash against WFH at the moment. I am sure there are those that take the piss but it's down to companies to set the culture. In our place I can always get hold of WFH colleagues and we are in calls a lot everyone is fully and professionally dressed, workloads are kept on top of. I just don't recognise the newspaper headlines saying no one thinks people are really WFH on a Friday. If Anything I work later on Fridays if WFH because no commute.

NoSoupForU · 17/02/2025 10:37

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 19:50

But parents not leaving for work when their kids leave for school is nothing new.

I get up because someone has to take the kids to school. People will work night shifts and be laying in bed whilst their children get ready. Some people are part time and so won’t be leaving the house that day. This has been the case for decades

It makes ore sense to teach children that hard work can be achieved within the home - which is not hard for them to understand

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And that's great. But it isn't being claimed that WFH is the only factor. It's merely being stated that it is a factor, and one worth exploring.

We know there are other issues. We know those other issues have a more profound impact.

NoSoupForU · 17/02/2025 10:40

unlimiteddilutingjuice · 17/02/2025 08:01

The comment about Westminster clearing out on Thursday night is very ignorant.
Friday is the day that MPs generally do constituency stuff.
So on Thursday afternoon they'll be travelling back to their constituencies (some hundreds of mikes away).
On Fridays they'll be running advice surgeries, catching up with constituency staff, going to meetings about local issues etc.
It's not a day off to piss about.

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It also is very reflective of general working. I work away a lot and Thursday evening is peak time for travel home because nobody wants to have their flight or train cancelled on a Friday and potentially be stuck into the weekend. It doesn't mean we don't work on Friday, we just do a different type of work.

ThePartingOfTheWays · 17/02/2025 10:58

NoSoupForU · 17/02/2025 10:37

And that's great. But it isn't being claimed that WFH is the only factor. It's merely being stated that it is a factor, and one worth exploring.

We know there are other issues. We know those other issues have a more profound impact.

Worth pointing out that we don't actually even know if it's a factor. There's no data, only vibes.

Oblomov25 · 17/02/2025 12:11

"We know there are other issues. We know those other issues have a more profound impact."

But he doesn't say that. All he says is the wfh bit.

If he'd stated it better, implied there were many reasons, and all needed looking into, he would've got a different reaction.

tallcurvey · 17/02/2025 12:27

@JandamiHash

jesus no
i think he has a very solid point.

Bromptotoo · 17/02/2025 12:27

Oblomov25 · 17/02/2025 12:11

"We know there are other issues. We know those other issues have a more profound impact."

But he doesn't say that. All he says is the wfh bit.

If he'd stated it better, implied there were many reasons, and all needed looking into, he would've got a different reaction.

Is the emphasis on WfH actually his or the spin the reporting paper - The Times - has chosen for the story?

JandamiHash · 17/02/2025 12:46

NoSoupForU · 17/02/2025 10:37

And that's great. But it isn't being claimed that WFH is the only factor. It's merely being stated that it is a factor, and one worth exploring.

We know there are other issues. We know those other issues have a more profound impact.

See I don’t think it is worth exploring any more than other baseless speculation about other causes.

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Lollipop81 · 17/02/2025 18:19

I couldn’t think of anything worse that wfh with kids either, just to save a 10 minute school run 😅 doesn’t seem like a good trade off to me. It’s hard enough when they are poorly and home.

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