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School is asking children to say ‘peace be upon him’ anytime Mohammed is mentioned

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Kitkat189 · 15/02/2025 16:55

My child’s teacher asks the class to always say ‘peace be upon him’ if the prophet Muhammed is mentioned in RE, for example. Used in a sentence it would be something like ‘Muhammad peace be upon him is the founder of Islam’

The teacher explained that this is to show respect to the Muslims in the class.

This is the first time I’ve ever heard of this. Is there an expectation that non Muslims use this expression? Or is it more of a courtesy? I am guessing the latter?

And if it’s the former, should people be compelled to utter this phrase out of respect? To literally wish peace upon a prophet of a religion they don’t belong to? I realise this is not a problem for the majority of people but out of interest, would a devout follower of another religion have objections to this?

(This is year 6, teacher is not Muslim, there is one Muslim in the class whose family are pretty secular, he told the teacher he doesn’t use this expression himself.)

OP posts:
Ponderingwindow · 19/02/2025 01:51

Dkdndndw · 16/02/2025 22:47

If there was a school trip to a mosque and you had a DD, would you be adamant they didn't cover their hair?

I wouldn’t want my son or daughter to enter any facility or place where one sex faced that kind of requirement. We should not be teaching children to participate in sexist practices no matter the excuse.

IridiumSky · 19/02/2025 02:20

You must ask the teacher to clarify the requirement by drawing Mohammed on the blackboard.

That may put a stop to this ridiculous demand. 😀

0ohLarLar · 19/02/2025 05:31

I missed the part where you asked if it is normal to say ‘amen’ in assembly if you are not a Christian

My kids aren't Christian, they don't say amen or join in with prayers, why would they? I'd be very cross if school tried to enforce this. One teacher did briefly with my eldest, he told her in no uncertain terms that he didn't believe any god existed.

Anonym00se · 19/02/2025 10:47

Ponderingwindow · 19/02/2025 01:51

I wouldn’t want my son or daughter to enter any facility or place where one sex faced that kind of requirement. We should not be teaching children to participate in sexist practices no matter the excuse.

Would that also apply to Catholic cathedrals?

lentilbake16 · 19/02/2025 11:21

Any update on the Muslims banning Christmas please?

BarneyRonson · 19/02/2025 11:28

It is amusing - awful too - when stupidity shows itself. This teacher! lol.

Dkdndndw · 19/02/2025 12:13

Ponderingwindow · 19/02/2025 01:51

I wouldn’t want my son or daughter to enter any facility or place where one sex faced that kind of requirement. We should not be teaching children to participate in sexist practices no matter the excuse.

Men have to cover up as well in islam?

StopStartStop · 19/02/2025 12:49

Dkdndndw · 19/02/2025 12:13

Men have to cover up as well in islam?

From the navel to the knee.

Dkdndndw · 19/02/2025 12:51

StopStartStop · 19/02/2025 12:49

From the navel to the knee.

Yes yes.

SerendipityJane · 19/02/2025 13:31

Burntcoat · 17/02/2025 13:30

It did. Plus the Muslims banned Christmas, and made everyone, everywhere, refer to it as 'Winterval'.

I bet you can't move for bridges

EasternStandard · 19/02/2025 14:50

@Ponderingwindow same

Xenia · 19/02/2025 16:43

Lots of muslim women do not cover their heads by the way.

Screamingabdabz · 19/02/2025 16:58

Dkdndndw · 19/02/2025 12:13

Men have to cover up as well in islam?

You wouldn’t know it though. They cover up just about the same as any other bloke. Unlike the women, whose ‘piety’ (in many expressions of Islam) is seemingly demonstrated on the most inconvenient and restrictive coverings. Funny that.

That’s another thing that is whitewashed in RE. The veil. And the cultural misogyny behind it.

lentilbake16 · 19/02/2025 18:15

I think the hijab looks brilliant tbh.

Istilldontlikeolives · 19/02/2025 18:15

Screamingabdabz · 19/02/2025 16:58

You wouldn’t know it though. They cover up just about the same as any other bloke. Unlike the women, whose ‘piety’ (in many expressions of Islam) is seemingly demonstrated on the most inconvenient and restrictive coverings. Funny that.

That’s another thing that is whitewashed in RE. The veil. And the cultural misogyny behind it.

What is inconvenient and restrictive about the clothing worn by Muslim women?

Dkdndndw · 19/02/2025 18:41

Istilldontlikeolives · 19/02/2025 18:15

What is inconvenient and restrictive about the clothing worn by Muslim women?

Exactly. I'm not a Muslim. But everyone acts as if Muslim women are oppressed.

Pinkbirds · 19/02/2025 18:44

I’m was an RE teacher for a decade and I’m shocked by the responses. I don’t know if it’s ignorance or the worry of Islam but really I’m surprised at how upset people are being.

This thread is an excellent example of why religion needs to be taught and discussed in schools.
Now the thread is talking about apparent banning of Christmas and head coverings 🙄

In Islam PBUH is used after the prophets name. I imagine it was taught as this and not that kids have to say it. Maybe it was a misunderstanding, but it seems like such a storm in a tea cup.

It would be a perfect topic for a lesson. The beauty of teaching RE is that you don’t have to agree with each other and you can be critical BUT the key is to be able to argue your opinion with respect and facts.

lentilbake16 · 19/02/2025 19:14

Dkdndndw · 19/02/2025 18:41

Exactly. I'm not a Muslim. But everyone acts as if Muslim women are oppressed.

I find this laughable tbh. The absolute stereotype of a meek little wife dressed in black and so on. Muslim women come in all shapes and sizes, some are even professionals....who'd have thought it.
As home making and family is greatly respected and valued, they often very much run the show at home.

Returni · 19/02/2025 19:16

Don’t believe this tbh

Ponderingwindow · 19/02/2025 19:18

Pinkbirds · 19/02/2025 18:44

I’m was an RE teacher for a decade and I’m shocked by the responses. I don’t know if it’s ignorance or the worry of Islam but really I’m surprised at how upset people are being.

This thread is an excellent example of why religion needs to be taught and discussed in schools.
Now the thread is talking about apparent banning of Christmas and head coverings 🙄

In Islam PBUH is used after the prophets name. I imagine it was taught as this and not that kids have to say it. Maybe it was a misunderstanding, but it seems like such a storm in a tea cup.

It would be a perfect topic for a lesson. The beauty of teaching RE is that you don’t have to agree with each other and you can be critical BUT the key is to be able to argue your opinion with respect and facts.

Why respect? Why not just neutrality?
There are people that believe this. There are people who believe that. Respect implies a certain degree of legitimacy to beliefs.

Thisandthatandthensome · 19/02/2025 19:20

How odd. I assume in the UK and therefore unlikely, although depends where you live, that every child in the class is Muslim. Very forced and incorrect to make non believers take part in nonsense.

Pinkbirds · 19/02/2025 22:03

Ponderingwindow · 19/02/2025 19:18

Why respect? Why not just neutrality?
There are people that believe this. There are people who believe that. Respect implies a certain degree of legitimacy to beliefs.

Absolutely not. This is just being obtuse for the sake of it. I honestly have no idea how you can come to this conclusion.
you can disagree with anything but you only really get credit or make your point valid if you do it respectfully and with facts. How on earth this makes the point they are arguing against legitimate is beyond me.
you wouldn’t say a defence lawyer in a court of law who argued their point respectfully and factually was making the prosectors evidence legitimate

BluebellsRinging · 19/02/2025 22:09

Dkdndndw · 19/02/2025 18:41

Exactly. I'm not a Muslim. But everyone acts as if Muslim women are oppressed.

😂

Oh sorry, you weren’t joking.

Ponderingwindow · 19/02/2025 22:43

Pinkbirds · 19/02/2025 22:03

Absolutely not. This is just being obtuse for the sake of it. I honestly have no idea how you can come to this conclusion.
you can disagree with anything but you only really get credit or make your point valid if you do it respectfully and with facts. How on earth this makes the point they are arguing against legitimate is beyond me.
you wouldn’t say a defence lawyer in a court of law who argued their point respectfully and factually was making the prosectors evidence legitimate

I feel like we are talking past one another. What arguments are there to have?

For the issue of respect vs neutrality, I ask the following.

we are in class discussing the greek gods. Are they presented as myth? Why or why not?

BlueSilverCats · 19/02/2025 22:48

we are in class discussing the greek gods. Are they presented as myth? Why or why not?

Is it in English class as part of the myths and legends part of the curriculum?Grin