Lucy Letby. Why do some people only read headlines?

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I was at work today and someone says so Lucy letby is innocent now. They have just gone with the media headlines. Instead of researching.

Sorry for the fail link but this is quite a good article below on the current state of things. The author has attended all trials and listened to appeals and conferences.

I also don't understand people who say she was scapegoated. If people follow the Thirwall enquiry this is far from the case. She was totally protected, her parents calling up, being in meetings, dictating apologies. It beggars belief.

I can somewhat understand people saying she is innocent based on medical evidence after the press conference but even that is nothing new.

You can't say my expert is better than yours.

Also people seem to think it was all Dewi Evans for the prosecution it wasn't. There was Dr Bohin, Prof Arthurs , Prof Hindnarsh and Dr Mar etc.

That is without the Doctor colleagues if you want to dispute them.

Then they new defence have changed ideas from the conference they had in December.

They are also not totally impartial.
It isn't as simple as the headlines.

Here is the article.

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Only 21 of the 257 handover sheets related to the babies in the court case

They spanned 5-6 years from starting work on the unit as a student

The sheet from her first day on the unit was kept in a special 'memory box'

You have been completely taken in by the sensationalist headlines

A lot of people were swayed by the press conference. Were you on here when the trial was going on/when she got found guilty? Because the vast majority of people were convinced of her guilt and any voices going against that were vilified.

Well forcing a feed through because god forbid you'd have to stop texting to do it properly isn't exactly good practice. Again it's all adding up to a picture of not exactly caring about what's best for her patients. You do realise serial killers start off small and escalate? And we got into a discussion about how so many posters won't admit she was at the least a terrible nurse if nothing else.

Well forcing a feed through because god forbid you'd have to stop texting to do it properly isn't exactly good practice.

Do you know that she did this or are you making stuff up?

Taken in my sensationalist headlines? It's a fact she took all those handover sheets home, some under her bed or at her parents house. I don't need headlines to tell me this goes way over the line for her profession. If any other nurses admitted to accidentally taking any sheets home I'll bet they didn't store them under their bed for years or have that many. And we don't know what other collapses or incidents she potentially caused so they could be on the other handover sheets. If she had them that long there's no excuse not to destroy them at some point, unless ofc they had special meaning to her!

Which baby or babies were treated like this?

Don't recall LL being accused of doing anything remotely like this

And I'm sure I'd remember because it's so dramatic

I've just explained it was covered in the trial. Why on earth would I make it up, I'm not a nurse I would have no idea how long a feed takes. They proved she did this from the times she was texting. Just goes to show a lot of posters here are not at all familiar with the trial if I'm being accused of making that up!

Nothing to do with serial killer trophies tho is it?

All those sheets which have no relationship whatsover to the babies in the court case - how are they trophies?

So you will be able to link to it then?

Yeah honestly you need to read up more on the trial then, no wonder you think she's innocent.

Maybe you'd be kind enough to refresh my memory as to which baby/babies this relates to - if you are so over all the detail it should be quite easy for you to do that

Thanks

You absolutely can tube feed a baby one handed! You're literally holding a syringe while the feeds passes through the tube. A lot of NICU babies are far too small and delicate to be lifted out of incubators every 2-3hrs for feeds
Admittedly, texting at the same time isn't great practice, but not for any medical reasons.

@Efacsen yes I will try and dig that up it might take a little while to find since it obviously seems not to be common knowledge. I know people have talked about it online plenty but whether I can find an article on it easily is another thing but I will look.

Thank you that would be great

I don't think you did follow the trial.

Here is the Sky News report on that allegation:

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It wasn't a big moment in the trial since this wasn't a child she was accused of harming.

I explained to you last time you made this allegation that routine nursing notes rounded things to the nearest 15 minutes. Text messages obviously don't.

Questions asked by the prosecution to create drama and rattle the defendant don't count as evidence.

She was accused by drs who barely showed their faces on the ward. They only did 2 ward rounds a week - on a neonatal intensive care ward! On the other hand the nurses who did work cheek and jowl with her for YEARS have stood by her but were strong armed by the trust out of testifying in her defence at the trial.

This kind of statement belies the fact that you simply have no argument. No one is taken in by this kind of drama queen flounce. Sorry!

It is offensive to insist that the parents have the truth when we know at least one set of parents are still looking for answers. It’s worse again to laugh about it. Hope that helps.

I didn’t flounce I just didn’t do as I was ordered.

And she is a baby killer. People forget this

And some people here are her fans.

No melodrama

They're not looking for answers about whether or not LL is a serial killer or not though are they? Every poster sticking up for LL on here is offensive to the parents I'm sure.

For those that said no other nurse disagreed or suspected something was off.

Agree this alone doesn't show guilt but there is just so much information.

The court has also been shown a series of messages sent between Letby and nursing colleagues in relation to the death of Child A and the non-fatal collapse of Child B.
On June 30, following the deaths of Child A, C and D, and the non-fatal collapse of Child B, Letby's colleague messaged her there was something 'odd' about that night.
Letby replies: 'What do you mean? Odd that we lost three and in different cicrumstances?'
Letby's colleague responds: "I don't know, were they that different?"
The colleague added: "Ignore me, I'm speculating."

Also

An 'experienced nurse of 20 years', who the court hears was a friend of Letby, said: "I've never seen a baby look that way before - he looked very ill."

Letby agrees Child A looked ill. She disagrees with the nurse's statement of the discolouration, or the blotchiness on Child A's skin.

"I agree he was white with what looked like purple markings."

Letby explained to police mottling was 'blotchy, red markings on the skin'

"Like, reddy-purple".

Child A was "centrally pale".

In police interview, Letby was asked about what she saw on Child A. She said: "I think from memory it [the mottling] was more on the side the line was in...I think it was his left."

Letby tells the court she felt Child A was "more pale than mottled".

She says it was "unusual" for Child A to be pale and to have discolouration on the side", but there was "nothing unusual" about the type of discolouration itself.

He asks Lucy Letby why she said "blotchiness" rather than "mottling" in part of her police statement.

"I think they are interchangeable," Letby tells the court.

It’ll wrap up in a year or two? They’ve already had eight! Don’t hold your breath. There aren’t going to be any more charges.

Plenty came out in Thirlwall that illustrated the absolute state of that hospital and those doctors. The “tube dislodgements”? Yet more dodgy stats that anyone with a sliver of statistical knowledge instantly balked at.

The morphine overdose? As Letby was a student nurse working alongside a senior nurse mentor the senior nurse rightly took the blame for this mistake. It was HER mistake. Overdosing is also, unfortunately, not an uncommon mistake, so yes a great many nurses DO have such events in their histories.

You’re in no position to call a single one of that panel an “expert” in scare quotes when you stan for the absolutely blatant charlatan that is Dewi Evans. That is just laughable.

That link didn't work but I managed to find the article from it so thanks. Even LL admits it's a two-handed job, and she was texting non-stop.

He said the only way it could have been done is if Letby fed the baby in her care very quickly.
"You think I pushed it in," said Letby.
"I do," replies Nick Johnson.

She didn't seem to have much in the way of a defence/explanation for it, neither did her barrister funny that.

This helped exonerate Lucia de Berk.