To think being on benefits might be better than working

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Is there anyway being on benefits is better than working? So much of day is spent worrying about work, working and dealing with office politics. I dislike work, and get no pleasure or satisfaction other than my pay. It’s got nothing to do with my job or team; I just dislike working.

I was thinking that being on benefits might not be as bad as people once thought. The main benefit would be not having to stress about working. With council tax, housing benefit and a hole host of other benefits, you could life a fairly decent life.

A return bus journey is £8 where I live. You have to work 30 mins just to cover your trip to and from work. You’ll work all month, live in a HMO and have nothing at the end of each month.

Bullshit.
There's 337k people who have been unemployed for longer than 12 months in this country.
That's actual figure, not some bullshit anecdotal,
"I know people who have never worked...."

This isn’t necessarily true. People start in an entry level position, gain experience and (ideally) qualifications and move up in seniority/responsibilities/complexity. Someone with no experience replaces them at entry level.
This is the issue. You have to start somewhere but if you work hard and show aptitude you can often move on.

Depends on the circumstances.

Cars are an expensive luxury and if the long term unemployed have a car, then I question how much money they are actually getting... The running costs of a car is not cheap!

People who have been made redundant and are actively looking for work and in between jobs...

I know I wouldn't be able to afford a car if I wasn't working.

Ah ok, so you want everyone else to pay for you not to work?

Plenty of people seem to be able to. The sooner we get a government that ends our "benefits" culture the better. It's a shame the last government didn't. Even the name "benefits" need to change - it says it is a benefit of living here, universal credit is poor name as it implies it is for everyone. We ought to call it what it is. "low value output subsidary", but maybe more snappy.

Your benefits will be coming out of the taxes everyone else pays. So YABU.
What if everyone took that attitude?

so wher are all these companies going to come from that will suddenly pay for adjustments for the workers to works and also what profits will these companies be making when various companies are allready going bnkrupt and come april mny will struggle with the national insurance contribution rises, based on what the media said etc

Not everyone would. It has always been the case that people either have the mindset look to see what they can contribute or they look to see what they can take. There is a reason the saying "if you want something done, ask a busy person" is used so often.

You realise your Low Output Subsidiary is claimed by all the same people cunts clapped for a few years ago?

But it was cool and trendy for middle class wnakers to bang pots then wasn't it?

Now it's back to demonizing the poorest... OnMN anyway, none of you would have the bollocks to go to an area of deprivation and be face to face the people you want to starve, strip cars from, insult etc.

One day, it'll happen to you or a loved one... Sickness and disability can strike even the healthiest... And I hope AI replace half the people that spout anonymous ignorant rage.. you'd be the first going cap in hand to the Job Centre..

If you think it's ok to sponge off taxpayers, have no self-esteem and want to set an extremely poor example to children then you crack on, OP. Just remember that it's not Government money you want to claim, it's ours. If everyone stopped working to doss around on benefits, how would that play out? Just grow up!

You fall into the category of someone else needs to fix it. People need to be motivated to fix their own world. I would reinvent benefits as being non-cash rewards for people who contribute tax. Maybe their should be a priority phone line for the doctor for people who pay higher rate tax, or the outer lane of the motorway could be restricted to higher rate tax payers. If there were status given incentives to pay more tax people it would reframes people desire to do so.

The pottering didnt sound like it. It is very hard putting one foot in front of the other every day when their seems little benefit from the struggle. I don't know what the answer is, people working at or close to minimum wage or decent people on benefits who won't game the system end up screwed over in either scenario. You end up chosing the option that's slightly less bad because there aren't any good options to chose from.

I'm not demonising the poor. I would be promoting incentives to create a world where they can improve their situation. I believe everyone has potential to make the country a better place.

JSA is £90 a week.
But sure, at least im not worrying about who nicked my mug.

Jesus, why would you want to do that. While yes there are people out there who probably shouldn't be on benefits and seem to have everything, I am pretty sure the majority of people on benefits would like not to be.
The grass is not always greener.

Wow you're delightfully. I hope you have to eat your nasty entitled words one day.

No youre not. You're punching down at the only people you feel that you can.

You're not allowed to be racist or homophobic or ageist or sizeist.. so you kick the poorwst in society and blame them for your lot in life.

If everyone ne was drowning, you'd be blaming the other people desperately swimming instead of the people throwing bricks.

To a point in employment with a career structure, yes. But this isn't 'everybody' is it? We can't possibly have a society where all the low paid roles in care, service etc are done by under 30s on their way to improving themselves. For one thing there isn't enough people in that demographic to fill them all. For another it takes no account of individual skill and aptitude. It's very easy to present the answer to the problem of working hard and still having a poor quality of life as being just work harder and join the people with better lives. For some individuals that may work, but it doesn't address the problem on a societal level and make it the answer for 'everyone'. The majority of people in low paid jobs work very hard already but there are more soldiers needed than generals so we need to make soldiering better rewarded.

It's not nasty at all, People get triggered very easily by a factual description. The UK has an output problem. The more people we can get into high value jobs the more we can afford to pay others. Every person claiming unemployment "subsidy" is a NHS worker we can only afford to pay minimum wage. If we can reduce the number of "benefit" takers the level of service can be improved. It is win win.

Why is there a sudden influx of benefit bashing threads? It feels like 2014/15 mumsnet again.

I just come from the other analogy, some people blame the world for the water, some people want to encourage people to learn to swim.

What on earth does racism, homophobia, agism or sizism got to do with anything?????? I think you are reaching....

Nonsense.
There's 337k.long term unemployed intnhenuk from a working age population of almost 45million.

Theres more people in work claiming benefits than there are long term unemployed.

If you want to talk "subsidy" let's do it.

You go to Starbucks? That barista claims UC... If they didn't, their wages would have to double, your coffee now doubles in price.

Someone rents a new flat, they get Housing element.. if they didn't, they couldn't afford to rent and the landlords would struggle to fill their properties.. how many landlords have their mortgage paid by tax payers?

Pop your kids to childcare that you pay £1000 a month for .. they're all on UC topping up their wages.. if they weren't, your childcare bill is now £3000 minimum.

Off to visit your mum in an old folks home? The nurses claim UC.. if they didn't, your mum's care would be unaffordable and YOUD have to quit work to do it.

Hey never mind, let's pop Sainsbo for some food... Every one you see there claims UC.. if they didn't, Sainsbos wage bill would quadruple overnight and food prices would follow...

Don't be so quick to kick the people holding up society, without them, millions would be absolutely fucked.

Ok, but there are very few swimming lessons available, and those that are want you to already be a better swimmer than you are, and the lessons are held when you're supposed to be collecting the kids from school or looking after your sick parent, and there are thousands of people trying to get in an 8-lane pool at the only sensibly-timed swimming lessons each day, and the swimming pool is in the middle of nowhere with no public transport available, and if you miss a swimming lesson they'll kick you out of the swimming lessons entirely. Then they'll say "well, we tried teaching you to swim, but you'd rather doss about at home than learn".

If we're doing the water analogy, let's dismantle the barriers to accessing the swimming pool before we blame the people who can't swim.

Isn't demonizing the poor but wants them labelled:

We ought to call it what it is. "low value output subsidary", but maybe more snappy.

Isn't otherong them and punching down but wants them to have no money at all and the wealthier to be treated with priority:

I would reinvent benefits as being non-cash rewards for people who contribute tax. Maybe their should be a priority phone line for the doctor for people who pay higher rate tax, or the outer lane of the motorway could be restricted to higher rate tax payers.

Claims to want to encourage others to swim... Sounds more like you want those beneath you to drown quicker..

So, what does racism and such have to do with it?

Should black people use the lanes of a motorway or have them reserved for white people?

Should gay people have money stopped whilst straight people get a priority phone line to the GP?

Should overweight people be relabelled as "Low Value JustEat Subsidisers"

No, of course not, you'd be right to be offended... But when it's the poor? Sick? Disabled? These suggestions make sense to you...

ok, if i created a company i would still need to make a profit to enable the company to survive and make profits, how in this economy makes that possible ?
the whole capitalist system needs changing because companies with tech will need only so many workers, then once those positions have been recruited for, then what do you do with the rest of the people, how can they earn ££ to pay tax etc ?