To think being on benefits might be better than working

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Is there anyway being on benefits is better than working? So much of day is spent worrying about work, working and dealing with office politics. I dislike work, and get no pleasure or satisfaction other than my pay. It’s got nothing to do with my job or team; I just dislike working.

I was thinking that being on benefits might not be as bad as people once thought. The main benefit would be not having to stress about working. With council tax, housing benefit and a hole host of other benefits, you could life a fairly decent life.

A return bus journey is £8 where I live. You have to work 30 mins just to cover your trip to and from work. You’ll work all month, live in a HMO and have nothing at the end of each month.

but once all those higher wage jobs are filled then you could have 1000's etc lower wage workers but eg all fully qualified for upper management but because of the roles available vs the demand for them it means lots have to do the lower wage jobs because thats all thats left.

a for capitalsm being the best system thats only due to the number of people there are, society does not need eg 10 brands of kettles, or 100's of different cars, capitalism works because its the only system that can handle the numbers of people,

covid proved if you had only the essential services and essenital companies running society, then everything else is just wasting resources with the 10 types of washing machines etc

And there night not...
I know the difference between a working couple who have taken a day off for some shopping vs the ones whose entire lives are a day off. Think Jeremy Kyle.

Jeremey Kyle was vile.
He is on Talk Radio now and still has vile views about people on benefits.

I am on benefits, and I go out shopping. Does that mean I can work?

And what a miserable lack lustre existence it would be.

true but it proves the point that society needs a better system than capitalism

Yes he was vile and a hypocrite, that wasn't my point though. His show demonstrated there are a certain type of people out there that have no intentions of working, they just want to shag and crap out a hundred kids so long as they have enough money to feed the pitbull, get some tinnies in and pay the Sky bill. I have literally grown up with these people as neighbours.

I have no idea, depends on what benefits you are on. Are you also trailing a gazillion unwashed children behind you whilst your partner chugs cans of Red Bull or Stella? I doubt it.

It is the best we have.

well society then needs to do better and create a better system for the future

Yup. Yet people on MN always witter on about people on benefits not paying CT.

You can't change human nature. Money and family will always be the main drivers in society.

Check out Milton Freidman and Thomas Sowell, a pair of fantastic economist who spoke about these topics. There are some very interesting conversations on YouTube.

I went out today as well despite being benefit scum

My health issues mean I'll probably spend most of tomorrow in bed as a result. But you wouldn't know that if you saw me today.

No. A normal decent human should work..
Saying this even though I have never held a job for more than 2 years.

but if thats the case then modern society would still be back in the dark ages with the systems that worked for them, society can and should progress

otherwise why have laws that prevent x,y,z and instead just say oh thats natural human behaviour etc

humanity can and should do better,

The future of economic systems will likely involve a blend of capitalism, socialism, and new, innovative models such as technocracy or automation-based economies. especially with the rise of machines

Sounds like you're in the wrong job OP!

Can you focus on improving your job situation rather than contemplating giving up work altogether. I think that's what most people do. Don't stay longterm in a job you dislike. Move on and find something else. A change is as good as a rest and all that.

WTAF?

yep excatly, problem is those incentives only work until others think eg tickles to it etc

It should be an actual job though, with a proper wage, and pension, sick pay, annual leave etc.

@XenoBitch is this something you think people would do, would you be ok joining this scheme if it existed?

Not sure what your situation is, but if you were in that position

What scheme?
No, I do not think people on benefits should have to do a type of community service in exchange for their benefits. For starters, it would put them way under the minimum wage. And what would happen to the people who are already employed to do that role?
Like I said, just outright employ them properly so they have proper money, leave, sick pay, and pension. Give them a proper job.

What whole host of benefits do you mean. A single person on Uc gets 393 quid a month

I work in advice and help people claim their entitlements. But being on benefits is not good for your mental health; you may think work is bad, but living on benefits definitely worse. You need to look at your skill set and see what else you might be able to do, or train for. Or look at the bad and the good at your current place of work, and draw up a ten point plan to make the most of the good, and mitigate the bad. Is your manager someone you can talk to about where you want to be in the next year. Does your employer have a counselling service? Living on benefits is not a happy life; it undermines your confidence and self worth....and reduces your pension for later life.

I dislike paying my taxes while lazy scroungers like you contribute nothing to society. There, does that sound unreasonable?

I think the Op doesn't realise that if you claim UC they expect you to look for work unless you have a very young child or are in the Lwcra group or caring responsibilities. There's no such thing as housing benefit anymore either. Some people on UC pay a lot in council tax.

Well to start with you'll get no benefits if you pack your job up and secondly if your on £16/hour believe me you won't live the life you have now.
Look for a job you'd actually enjoy. Meantime think yourself lucky to have a good paid job. Best thing is allow yourself the amount you'd get if you wasn't working and live on it for a couple of months.

I have been out of work since new year, but had various jobs up until now. What I can say is that universal credit is not enough to survive on. I can just about pay the bills and afford food (if I'm lucky). Food banks have been a saviour! It's difficult to keep up with the rising cost of council tax and energy bills. British winters are brutally cold! I have autism and severe social anxiety, so I find it difficult to hold down a job. I'm in the process of claiming disability benefits, but the government are threatening to cut the funding. So I'm not sure what to do. It's hard to find a job, even for people with degrees and work experience. Even basic jobs like cleaning and shop work are slim pickings. Companies have so many requirements and only want the best of the best. To them, you are replacable. They under employ in order to save money, so workers are pushed to the limit. Sometimes for minimum wage. These days, I see no benefit to working, but claiming government money gets you labelled a "scrounger," even if there is a legitimate reason. The money could be stopped at any time, so the benefit system isn't fit for purpose. I'm thinking maybe treat my social anxiety and get a job abroad. I have teaching qualifications. I would suggest you find a job abroad too. Britain has gone down the pan, and it will only get worse.