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To think 71 is too old for state pension age?

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winterwonder1 · 10/02/2025 16:16

This isn't just for people who are 21 now - that's for people born after 1970 - so 55 now. I can't imagine being fit enough to do my job at 71.
DWP State Pension age will have to rise to 71 says report | News Shopper

DWP State Pension age will have to rise to 71, new report says

New research suggests that workers born after April 1970 will not reach UK State Pension age until they are 71

https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/24923959.dwp-state-pension-age-will-rise-71-says-report/

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WrinkledPotato · 14/02/2025 18:02

Yanbu however the current situation is unsustainable as pensions and social care is so expensive. I dont know what the answer is, other than expect people to pay more into workplace pensions if they want to retire in their 60s?

Leafy74 · 14/02/2025 18:31

TankFlyBossW4lk · 14/02/2025 18:00

Well let's have your ideas....

Work until you can afford to retire.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 14/02/2025 18:59

Leafy74 · 14/02/2025 18:31

Work until you can afford to retire.

That's helpful. I'm sure everyone here will appreciate that.

Leafy74 · 14/02/2025 19:26

TankFlyBossW4lk · 14/02/2025 18:59

That's helpful. I'm sure everyone here will appreciate that.

Sorry but that's how money works.
If you want some you have to get the money together to buy it. It's sort of an inconvenient truth.

What's your idea?

OhamIreally · 15/02/2025 13:02

I asked ChatGPT what a pension pot would look like if instead of paying NI to the government it had been invested in a Stakeholder pension. See the results here: To estimate the potential pension pot after 35 years of investing National Insurance (NI) contributions into a private stakeholder pension, let’s break it down step by step.
1. National Insurance Contributions (NICs) Assumed Investment
The average UK salary (as of recent estimates) is around £34,000 per year.
The Class 1 NI rate for an employee is 10% on earnings above the primary threshold (currently about £12,570).
This means NI contributions on earnings above the threshold are roughly:
(£34,000−£12,570)×10%=£2,143 per year(£34,000 - £12,570) \times 10% = £2,143 \text{ per year}(£34,000−£12,570)×10%=£2,143 per year
Over 35 years, total contributions would be:
£2,143×35=£75,005£2,143 \times 35 = £75,005£2,143×35=£75,005
2. Investment Growth in a Stakeholder Pension
Stakeholder pensions typically invest in a mix of equities, bonds, and other assets.
A reasonable realistic annual return assumption is 5% per year, net of fees.
Using the future value of annuities formula:
FV=P×(1+r)n−1rFV = P \times \frac{(1 + r)^n - 1}{r}FV=P×r(1+r)n−1
where:
P=2,143P = 2,143P=2,143 (annual contribution),
r=5%r = 5%r=5% (investment return),
n=35n = 35n=35 (years),
we calculate:
FV=2,143×(1.05)35−10.05FV = 2,143 \times \frac{(1.05)^{35} - 1}{0.05}FV=2,143×0.05(1.05)35−1 FV=2,143×5.52−10.05FV = 2,143 \times \frac{5.52 - 1}{0.05}FV=2,143×0.055.52−1 FV=2,143×90.4FV = 2,143 \times 90.4FV=2,143×90.4 FV≈£193,700FV \approx £193,700FV≈£193,700
3. How Much Income Could This Provide in Retirement?
If the person purchases an annuity, at current rates, a £193,700 pension pot could provide around £9,500 per year for life (inflation-linked).
Alternatively, under flexible drawdown, withdrawing 4% per year (a common rule of thumb) would provide £7,750 per year.
Comparison with the State Pension
The UK full new State Pension (as of 2024) is £11,502 per year.
The private pension scenario falls short of this amount.
Conclusion
Investing NI contributions in a private pension could generate a pot of approximately £193,700 after 35 years.
This could provide £7,750 - £9,500 per year in retirement, which is less than the State Pension.
The State Pension remains valuable due to its inflation protection and lifetime guarantee.
If employer contributions were included (as with workplace pensions), the private pot could be significantly larger.
Would you like me to factor in additional scenarios, such as higher returns or employer-matched contributions?

4o
You said:
Please factor in a time period of 50 years

ChatGPT said:
After 50 years of investing the equivalent of National Insurance contributions into a private stakeholder pension:
The total pension pot could grow to approximately £448,633.
Using a 4% safe withdrawal rate, this could provide an annual retirement income of around £17,945.
This is higher than the current full UK State Pension (£11,502 per year), making it a more competitive alternative over a longer timeframe. Let me know if you’d like further refinements, such as different investment return rates or annuity options

notatinydancer · 15/02/2025 13:41

Duckinahat · 10/02/2025 16:23

You’re supposed to save up to retire early. State pension is not supposed to fund years of retirement. That would be very expensive.

With the COL now many people can't save a penny.
Let alone pay anything meaningful into a private pension.

Flossflower · 15/02/2025 13:42

@OhamIreally

2 things wrong with your calculations (maybe more)

  1. Not all of NI goes towards pensions
  2. A state pension is not like savings which you can draw 4% down from. There is no sum left when you die.
notatinydancer · 15/02/2025 13:42

The government will just end up paying sick pay instead. There are many people who won't be able to work at 71.

Digdongdoo · 15/02/2025 14:04

notatinydancer · 15/02/2025 13:42

The government will just end up paying sick pay instead. There are many people who won't be able to work at 71.

They won't though because we can't afford that either. Major reform coming whether we like it or not. Lifestyles are going to have to change...

notatinydancer · 15/02/2025 14:10

Digdongdoo · 15/02/2025 14:04

They won't though because we can't afford that either. Major reform coming whether we like it or not. Lifestyles are going to have to change...

What about people who are genuinely ill?
A lot of jobs won’t be physically possible at 70.

OhamIreally · 15/02/2025 14:25

@Flossflower it wasn't intended to be definitive I thought it would be interesting to look at the numbers.

As with everything else if you took away the social safety net richer people would do better and poorer people would do worse. Which appears to be effectively what is being said on this thread.

Digdongdoo · 15/02/2025 15:58

notatinydancer · 15/02/2025 14:10

What about people who are genuinely ill?
A lot of jobs won’t be physically possible at 70.

What about them? It didn't say it was a good thing. But realistically, with an aging, obese, mentally ill population we can't pay for it all forever. I'm not sure it's helpful to pretend we will be able to. An alternative plan is more sensible imo.

AllFurCoatAndFrillyKnickers · 15/02/2025 16:06

wipeywipe · 10/02/2025 16:56

i don't understand why people over the age of 60 still working don't pay NI.

You don't pay NI if you're still working and over the retirement age of 66, soon to be 67 (for those born after April 1960).
Those workers aged 60-65 still pay NI.

AllFurCoatAndFrillyKnickers · 15/02/2025 17:17

@oakleaffy
Only the older female baby boomers got to retire at 60.
It started increasing from 60 to 65 for those born after April 1950.
The increase from 65 to 66 affected both sexes born from December 1953.
For everyone born after April 1960 it will be gradually increase and those born after March 1961 it will be 67.
Final salary pension schemes were closing in the 2000s. Mine closed when I was 48. I was born right at the end of the baby boom.

IDontHateRainbows · 15/02/2025 17:20

I can see old age retirement becoming something only for the very wealthy. Everyone else, it will be replaced with a form of ill health retirement ie you work until someone says your physically ( or mentally) no longer capable, and the bar will be set high.

AllFurCoatAndFrillyKnickers · 15/02/2025 17:26

HoraceCope · 10/02/2025 18:48

we should be more french!

The French retirement age increases from 62 to 62 and 6ou have to have worked for 43 years t9 get the full pension (2023 law was passed). Plenty of protests of course.

AllFurCoatAndFrillyKnickers · 15/02/2025 17:57

MumCanIHaveASnackPlease · 10/02/2025 19:49

I’m early 30s and I have resigned myself to the fact that there will be no state pension. I’ll instead spend my working life paying insane taxes so that baby boomers can enjoy their retirement they never saved for and their NHS that will be dismantled by the time I’m old enough to really need it.

Many baby boomers have saved for their pension. I certainly have, and I won't be getting my state pension until I am 67.
Some BB women retired at 60, some 65/66 and for the last of the baby boomers it is 67.
Many of us, particularly those born in the early 60s, have worked all our lives,
I have paid in and saved into my pension pots, and hit the 40% tax bracket.

JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 18:47

AllFurCoatAndFrillyKnickers · 15/02/2025 17:26

The French retirement age increases from 62 to 62 and 6ou have to have worked for 43 years t9 get the full pension (2023 law was passed). Plenty of protests of course.

I would be fine with that. All the middle class and upper class people who study for years will struggle to get 43 years, but all of the people who started work at 16 will be fine.

GoosieLucie · 15/02/2025 18:54

hairbearbunches · 10/02/2025 16:48

Something has got to give. 1970 onwards is pretty much all of Gen X.

Those final salary boomer pensions, which had all but been withdrawn when Gen X got into the jobs market, ought to be enough to live on. We should be means testing pension NOW. if you're on almost 100k a year from a final salary pension, you don't need a state pension as well. Anything over £75k and the state pension should be tapered off. That demographic are having their cake right now whilst the rest of us have to continue working for longer and longer. to subsidise their antartica cruises expeditions on effing Hurtigruten. Enough!

I wonder how many pensioners actually do have such huge pensions from final salary schemes. Surely it can't be very many? And we don't know whether those very wealthy pensioners are claiming the state pension or not. Maybe they're not?

MikeRafone · 15/02/2025 19:06

my friend ex was a pilot and his pension is around £6k per month

they'll be a fair few like it and more

JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 19:09

@hairbearbunches It sounds fine in theory. But the amount will just be decreased over the years so that anyone not on benefits does not get the state pension. The average pension pot is worth £37,000 at retirement. I do not want a position where like benefits you have to live on that until it is below £16k before you get a state pension.

BIossomtoes · 15/02/2025 19:34

MikeRafone · 15/02/2025 19:06

my friend ex was a pilot and his pension is around £6k per month

they'll be a fair few like it and more

On which he’ll be paying £1350 a month tax as well as tax on his state pension. There are very few people who get a pension as high as that.

JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 19:38

And the pilot would have been earning at least £10,000 a month and worked for 40 years. You are talking about top earners here.

TheignT · 15/02/2025 19:49

I'm 72 and I retired a year ago. I think there are a few things to consider.

  1. Do you enjoy your job? I did which really helps.
  2. Are you physically and mentally healthy enough to do it? I think people often think about people in physically demanding jobs but overlook that for some jobs you need to be mentally sharp.
  3. Can you afford to work part time and will your employer allow that. I gradually reduced from 65 but I was lucky enough to be able to afford that and saved my state pension. I think gradually going part time is a useful transition. Working part time is obviously going to be less demanding although I was combining it with being my husbands carer.

It's going to be rough on people who need the money but are struggling to do a full-time job.

notatinydancer · 15/02/2025 19:53

MikeRafone · 15/02/2025 19:06

my friend ex was a pilot and his pension is around £6k per month

they'll be a fair few like it and more

Majority won't have pensions that good.