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Thai women rescued from human-egg farm in Georgia

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zerogrey · 10/02/2025 07:42

Unabashedly posting here for traffic:

Thai women rescued from human-egg farm in Georgia

Three Thai women have been rescued after being lured into a human-egg harvesting scheme operated by Chinese gangsters in the former Soviet republic of Georgia.

The effort to free them was prompted by Pavena Hongsakula, founder of the Pavena Foundation for Children and Women.
Ms Pavena said she learned about it from another woman victim who had been released and returned to Thailand in September only after paying the gang about 70,000 baht.

The victim told Ms Pavena other Thais were still trapped at the human-egg farm because they had no money to pay for their freedom.
Foreign Affairs police, a division led by Pol Maj Gen Surapan Thaiprasert, coordinated with Interpol and were able to help three other women return to Thailand on Jan 30, she said.

Speaking to media by a livestream on the foundation's Facebook page on Monday, one of the victims said she saw a job advertisement on Facebook promising an income of 400,000 to 600,000 baht.
She contacted the page and was told the job was being a surrogate mother for couples who could not have children in Georgia, and that it was legal there. The employer had paid for her passport application and other travel expenses, the woman said.
She and about 10 others travelled to Georgia in August, led by a Thai woman who was believed to work for the gang. On arrival, they were taken to an area where there were four large houses and at least 100 Thai women already living there.

The place was operated by Chinese gangsters and it turned out that no couples applied there for a surrogate mother, she said.

Instead, they were given hormones to stimulate their ovaries. Once a month the women were anaesthetised and their eggs collected, she said. Some of the women had not been paid at all.

The collected eggs were believed to be sold, trafficked in other countries for use in in-vitro fertilisation (IVF), Ms Pavena said.
Police said the investigation is continuing and there could be other rescues.
According to the Pavena Foundation's records, 257 Thais fell victim to human traffickers in 2024, of which 53 were found in Thailand and 204 in other countries. The foundation helped rescue 152 of them.
Georgia does not have specific laws regarding surrogacy. However, companies operating there advertise their services and surrogacy arrangements are considered legal contracts. The Georgia government has stated it is in the process of declaring it illegal.

Fucks sake. I've ballsed up the title and can't fix it. Sorry.

Thai women rescued from human-egg farm in Georgia

Three Thai women have been rescued after being lured into a human-egg harvesting scheme operated by Chinese gangsters in the former Soviet republic of Georgia.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2953351/thai-women-rescued-from-human-egg-farm-in-georgia

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YouDeserveBetterSoAskForIt · 10/02/2025 08:24

Trafficking is a real problem here (I live in Thailand).

Thai people unfortunately are still quite naive to the west. So they see a salary advertised like that and think it is normal because all westerners are rich.

In reality 400,000 is £9,500 a month. We would all look at that and immediately know it was a scam.

There isn't much education here around this, apart from signs at airports and land borders telling people to be careful of scam jobs.

Changingplace · 10/02/2025 08:29

Jesus this is terrifying, I always think with things like this as well, for every situation that’s uncovered there must be so many more nobody ever hears about, utterly inhumane that people can be treated like this.

zerogrey · 10/02/2025 12:23

YouDeserveBetterSoAskForIt · 10/02/2025 08:24

Trafficking is a real problem here (I live in Thailand).

Thai people unfortunately are still quite naive to the west. So they see a salary advertised like that and think it is normal because all westerners are rich.

In reality 400,000 is £9,500 a month. We would all look at that and immediately know it was a scam.

There isn't much education here around this, apart from signs at airports and land borders telling people to be careful of scam jobs.

How do we help educate without looking like we're medalling or being manipulative?

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JacquesHarlow · 10/02/2025 12:27

zerogrey · 10/02/2025 12:23

How do we help educate without looking like we're medalling or being manipulative?

By posting on the right section of the board instead of coming onto AIBU because you think you need 'traffic"?

zerogrey · 10/02/2025 12:39

JacquesHarlow · 10/02/2025 12:27

By posting on the right section of the board instead of coming onto AIBU because you think you need 'traffic"?

Bore off.

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 10/02/2025 12:43

Crikey those thread police types must be exhausted from trawling AIBU scolding posters for not posting on the "correct" board ... where do they find the time ? Confused

denhaag · 10/02/2025 12:52

zerogrey · 10/02/2025 12:39

Bore off.

She's right though. Posting in AIBU will indeed generate a lot of traffic and discussion and likely a lot of ignorance. In amongst that there may well be solid information about what you can do to help.

If you post where people with experience or knowledge in these things read, then you are likely to get more helpful responses.

I'll 'bore off' as well though.....

TheyCallMeMrsBug · 10/02/2025 13:13

That is horrifying. Truly horrifying! Not sure what options there are to help but I am glad to be aware that things like this happen.

zerogrey · 10/02/2025 13:18

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 10/02/2025 12:43

Crikey those thread police types must be exhausted from trawling AIBU scolding posters for not posting on the "correct" board ... where do they find the time ? Confused

They seem to think people on AIBU aren't clever enough to talk about such things.

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eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 10/02/2025 13:24

We do really need honest and open conversations around IVF and surrogacy.
I am not bashing anyone wanting a child and being unable to... but the rights to have a baby should not be at the loss of rights for other women.

Jk987 · 10/02/2025 13:27

Anonymous egg donation should be banned.

RedToothBrush · 10/02/2025 13:34

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 10/02/2025 13:24

We do really need honest and open conversations around IVF and surrogacy.
I am not bashing anyone wanting a child and being unable to... but the rights to have a baby should not be at the loss of rights for other women.

That's the problem.

We are not having an honest conversation about how it's only rich western women who benefit from this at the expense of poorer women.

Until we are honest about this and until we have a conversation about how DNA and this sense of 'knowing where you come from' matters in terms of identity, we are stuffed.

What gets me is in the leftie narrative of identity, the idea of where you come from matters and us valued but instantly is discarded when deemed irrelevant when it doesn't fit with other identity politics 'rights' whilst the right is perfectly happy with the idea of ultra capitalist ideas of buying everything including babies.

That leaves children caught in the middle as commodities and ultimately disposable.

TemporaryPosition · 10/02/2025 13:36

zerogrey · 10/02/2025 13:18

They seem to think people on AIBU aren't clever enough to talk about such things.

I would tend to agree with that opinion. However, I don't mind you raising awareness for this issue.

zerogrey · 10/02/2025 13:38

TemporaryPosition · 10/02/2025 13:36

I would tend to agree with that opinion. However, I don't mind you raising awareness for this issue.

How generous of you. 🙄

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TemporaryPosition · 10/02/2025 13:41

zerogrey · 10/02/2025 13:38

How generous of you. 🙄

Well what do you actually want?

Dontlletmedownbruce · 10/02/2025 13:46

That's shocking. Really disgusting. The fact is fertility is an issue that won't go away and a desperate person will stop at nothing to have a baby. This I can understand having gone through IVF myself but my eggs were OK to use, but it may not have been the case. The answer must be extremely tight regulation.

I know it's not the majority view but I have always been in favour of an adoption system, it is a solution to a problem in theory at least, a supply demand issue. If women who do not wish to become mothers themselves were supported financially during pregnancy and the stigma of giving up a child was removed, then less couples would look to surrogacy or egg donation. This would involve a shift in attitude across society where birth mothers were admired for their decision, not vilified.

oakleaffy · 10/02/2025 13:47

denhaag · 10/02/2025 12:52

She's right though. Posting in AIBU will indeed generate a lot of traffic and discussion and likely a lot of ignorance. In amongst that there may well be solid information about what you can do to help.

If you post where people with experience or knowledge in these things read, then you are likely to get more helpful responses.

I'll 'bore off' as well though.....

I lost all sympathy at ''Bore off'' too- it's so utterly crass.

BigFatLiar · 10/02/2025 13:47

We are not having an honest conversation about how it's only rich western women who benefit from this at the expense of poorer women.

Do middle Eastern or Asian women not suffer from infertility? I suspect its rich couples and rich women who benefit irrespective of where they come from rather than 'western women '.

In the UK egg and sperm donations are no longer anonymous.

IVFeltbetter · 10/02/2025 13:48

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 10/02/2025 13:24

We do really need honest and open conversations around IVF and surrogacy.
I am not bashing anyone wanting a child and being unable to... but the rights to have a baby should not be at the loss of rights for other women.

IVF and surrogacy are quite separate things. What do you mean by this and what is it you feel needs discussing?

zerogrey · 10/02/2025 13:49

Jk987 · 10/02/2025 13:27

Anonymous egg donation should be banned.

Here's the thing...

What should happen and what will happen, are very different. The problem also is that even with the potential for something to be banned, it won't stop it happening. It'll just end up being driven underground and things like this happen. We have rules in the west about these things. There aren't always laws about them elsewhere.

Women and girls are seen as cattle to be exploited in many parts of the world, and this is just another example of that.

I'm not against surrogacy or egg donation. I'm against it being done in ways that cause harm. This is beyond harmful, it's completely fucked up.

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BrieAndChilli · 10/02/2025 14:00

I would think when choosing an egg donar that most people would opt for someone who closely resembles themself? So I would think that these poor thai womens eggs are probably being brought by rich women in asia rather than the west. That doesn't mean of course that there arent other women out there in similar farms from poor regions of europe also having thier eggs harvested.

I really don't know the answer. I was able to have biological children with no issue so can't fully understand the desperation and sadness of those who can't however as someone who was adopted as an older child I can say that adoption isn't a magic fairytale answer either.

If fertility treatment was completely free (for the first 2 children) would that help take away the cheaper, less regulated IVF/surrogacy routes? Just having tight regulations in the country means that those who don't conform just go abroad where it is cheaper and less regulated.

comoatoupeira · 10/02/2025 14:02

Thanks for sharing. So appalling.

NoctuaAthene · 10/02/2025 14:05

Dontlletmedownbruce · 10/02/2025 13:46

That's shocking. Really disgusting. The fact is fertility is an issue that won't go away and a desperate person will stop at nothing to have a baby. This I can understand having gone through IVF myself but my eggs were OK to use, but it may not have been the case. The answer must be extremely tight regulation.

I know it's not the majority view but I have always been in favour of an adoption system, it is a solution to a problem in theory at least, a supply demand issue. If women who do not wish to become mothers themselves were supported financially during pregnancy and the stigma of giving up a child was removed, then less couples would look to surrogacy or egg donation. This would involve a shift in attitude across society where birth mothers were admired for their decision, not vilified.

This is a really interesting post. I too wish there was a way for people who desperately want to become parents but lack the correct/functioning gametes and reproductive equipment (gay couples, infertile women) to do so without having to resort to egg/sperm donation and/or surrogacy which I agree have a lot of moral and ethical issues and pitfalls around them. I've never really considered expanding adoption as a solution though. Can you say more about how it would work?

The problem as I see it is there is that for your (presuming) 'target group' of emotionally and physically healthy, financially stable women who happen to find themselves pregnant not as a result of any kind of physical trauma or sexual assault or coercion but who don't want a baby/to be a mother, there's a current very easy and accessible solution which is abortion. I don't think it's the 'stigma of giving up a child' or financial considerations which mean these women choose abortion, it's not being willing or able to put their bodies through the physical strain and risks of pregnancy and childbirth then the huge emotional implications of giving away their child at the end of it. How would your proposal (without becoming commercial surrogacy or exploitation of poor and vulnerable women) persuade these women to go through that? It would have to be an enormous amount of social appreciation for sure. Of course if you add large financial incentives (it would have to be considerably more than 'expenses directly related to pregnancy which in the UK are pretty small really considering all healthcare is free and pregnant people have protection for things like time off work for appointments) I'm sure you would get some takers but then how is that really any different to surrogacy and how would you stop it being exploitable?

BitOutOfPractice · 10/02/2025 14:05

That is genuinely horrifying. Like something out of a movie. The commoditisation by of women and children’s Lives in such a stark and dystopian way. Horrifying.

KimberleyClark · 10/02/2025 14:08

BigFatLiar · 10/02/2025 13:47

We are not having an honest conversation about how it's only rich western women who benefit from this at the expense of poorer women.

Do middle Eastern or Asian women not suffer from infertility? I suspect its rich couples and rich women who benefit irrespective of where they come from rather than 'western women '.

In the UK egg and sperm donations are no longer anonymous.

People can still go abroad (fertility tourism) for anonymous egg donation though - or order another anonymous sperm online.

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