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Gas lighting/narcissist

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idkt · 08/02/2025 19:49

Please could someone explain the meaning of a narcissist and a gas lighter. Also could you give me examples please.

I just want to be 100% sure

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Worsthousebeststreet · 08/02/2025 20:03

When I had Covid (back in the day when restrictions were in place) and a three week old baby my narcissist family member screamed down the phone at me about not being able to visit the new baby. How I was being ridiculous, witholding my baby from them yada yada yada. No 'how are you that must be awful to be so ill with a newborn'

When they forgot to call me on my birthday and I called the out on it they came up with a list of excuses as long as my arm, admitted they only apologised because I asked them to and then told me they'd spent all evening crying so thank you very much. Total refusal to acknowledge how they'd made me feel or any empathy at all.

So in general makes everything about themselves. If you upset the narcissist it's your fault and if the narcissist upsets you, it's your fault.

idkt · 08/02/2025 21:22

Thank you.
So someone who likes to take something you said, that wasn't harmful or intent and drags it out causes an argument, gets a reaction out of you they don't like. Then blames it all on you for your reaction. What's that?

Also is gaslighting someone who turns everything around on you?

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NewDogOwner · 08/02/2025 21:34

Gaslighting is more specific. It's when they deny what actually happened and make you feel like you are going crazy.

DrEggman · 08/02/2025 21:37

Gaslighting is when you are questioning your own sanity or reasoning or what you did or said because the other person makes you think you’re going mad by denying what happened. Its pure manipulation.

Adviceplease2022 · 08/02/2025 21:38

Gaslighting is when you overhear your husband on the phone to another woman telling them that they love them and then they manage to convince you that you are so crazy that you imagined it. They swear on the life of your 6 month old baby that they are telling the truth. Then they take you to the doctors because you “need help”.

The worst thing is that I’d much rather have known he was cheating than think I was losing my mind…..

DrEggman · 08/02/2025 21:41

Gaslighting is also the other woman claiming it absolutely wasn’t them when you have all the evidence in front of you.

SunLift · 08/02/2025 21:53

The Narcissists prayer sums up how they are:

”That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal
And if it is, that’s not my fault
And if it was, I didn’t mean it
And if I did …..you deserve it”

SunLift · 08/02/2025 22:18

@idkt

So someone who likes to take something you said, that wasn't harmful or intent and drags it out causes an argument, gets a reaction out of you they don't like. Then blames it all on you for your reaction. What's that?

It depends what was said, we need context because either person could have toxic traits in this scenario. It could be a toxic person minimising the words they said that led to the argument, or it could be a toxic person twisting the words in a crazy making way.

Precipice · 08/02/2025 22:22

So someone who likes to take something you said, that wasn't harmful or intent and drags it out causes an argument, gets a reaction out of you they don't like. Then blames it all on you for your reaction. What's that?

It's not gaslighting. I don't think it's narcissism either. As a general behaviour, it's toxic.

Mum9467hj · 09/02/2025 07:49

Narcissism can manifest differently too and be much more covert, often narcissism in men is more cruel/brash, but in women it can be much more psychological. For example, my experience with a covert narcissist who is a woman (I am also a woman), she would always compliment me and we’d have lots of banter (it was in a workplace she was above me) but I realised after the big blow up when I finally said no to her, that every single compliment she gave me had been backhanded and intended to bring me down. At the time I just thought oh well it’s banter and I can take a joke. But over a few years of it you start to have less self confidence and think less of yourself which is what they want. They can’t stand anyone being perceived as cooler / better than them. She would want to ‘take’ if she liked something that I had, to the point where it just got quite creepy. E.g. anything I wore that she liked, she’d have to buy something similar but a more expensive version. She’d always make sure I knew she had spent more money on hers and that hers was better. She started doing her hair like mine, wearing similar earrings and clothes, looking like me, making fun of my interests and trying to push me into doing other things that were her interests where she could control me. She would spend money way beyond her means to keep up outward appearances, unfortunately with this individual she has an fairly big Instagram following of adoring fans, her whole brand is rainbows and light and loveliness but behind the scenes is a very different story. If anyone’s brand is that they’re the loveliest person in the world, it’s just likely not true, no one is 100% lovely.

All narcissists might love bomb you to begin with, make you feel like you’re incredible, like you’re the best person in the world - think gifts, praise, attention. But the moment you disagree with them on anything, or say no, they will turn. Even if you’ve been in their life for years and think they’ll be reasonable / would never just get rid of you. The moment you stop giving their narcissist fire any oxygen/fuel/stop being their yes person, they’ll want to punish you and make you feel like you’re a horrible person and that you’re the one in the wrong. They will use tears and try to manipulate you, for example you could have having a calm conversation saying that you didn’t like something / trying to set in a boundary, and they could be crying and saying ‘you’re just being so aggressive’ etc. they don’t like boundaries, they don’t like anyone getting in their way.

One big red flag, is if they have a trail of relationships that have broken down in their life, and if they constantly move on to new groups of friends etc. there will always be excuses as to why those people were in the wrong. But it’s not normal for someone to have a long line of people that they’ve suddenly cut out of their life. It will be because those people cottoned on to the narcissism and stood up for themselves, so the narcissist dropped them and moved on the new prey.

If you have been a victim of narcissism in any form, it really takes its time to recover, it’s a very difficult thing to wrap your head around. There’s a podcast on Diary of a CEO from about a year and a half ago with an interview from a narcissism expert that is very helpful. My favourite part was when Steven Bartlett wanted the expert to say he wasn’t a narcissist and she dodges the question haha

You’ll get through this! You’re not crazy.

Chell79 · 21/03/2025 09:08

I can give an example of this as my ex is now involved with one and she is nasty. We had a lovely passionate relationship, where I have millions of texts on my phone where my ex said our passion was off the scale amazing. We ended as he lost his job and got depressed, I started receiving random messages from the woman I believe he monkey branched onto a few months after we ended (It was an ending I hadn't even wanted as I loved him a lot). I just ignored her contact and then two months later my ex came over and told me he'd made a huge mistake leaving and we had passion again. I think great we are going to get back together. The week after the other woman's messages said our passion was rubbish, and that we hadn't shared a bed for months at the end of our relationship. Plus she said they had been having an affair for months before he left me. All lies, as he had lost his job he didn't leave the house for months, and he was at home looking after my children every afternoon until I got home from work, as I only did lunch shifts anyway. He had no money, and I asked my neighbour across the road if I could look at her ring doorbell, and surprise surprise he had been at home, as I had known anyway, Yet she was trying to gaslight me, as she found out I'd seen him again and that we had, had sex. There was only one day the evening before he moved out. He had slept on the sofa. Other than that he had slept cuddled up to me every night. They twist the truth and make you question your reality of events I am a counsellor and understand narcissist behaviour, alongside now studying a degree in psychology. I just said stop gaslighting me by telling absolute lies and then sent a screenshot of two messages where he was literally drooling about how hot the previous night's passion had been. I even asked the woman, to send me messages about your so-called meetups for months. She didn't send one as there wasn't any.

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