Part time reception still

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My daughter has been going to school since September reception have placed her on part time table because of sen needs not coping with transition not eating lunch or using toilet . Doesn’t have EHCP I feel like she’s missing out not 5 till march .

Request an EHCNA yourself ASAP using the model letter on IPSEA’s website.

Not necessarily. Some children born prematurely and who are summer born and start school just after their fourth birthday can be a little delayed with toilet training. Some children without SEN may have a temporary medical issue or similar. Some may regress a bit and have accidents there are many reasons. Children start school very young in the U.K. and during reception year toileting issues are common. The majority of children have been at nursery too so I think it’s unfair to blame parents who haven’t been the main caregiver

part time sounds like it would be better for your daughter though?

Honestly? It's not that long til March OP. Definitely push for the EHCP too.

Except it is not as simple as that. Some won’t have a diagnosis &/or be classed as having SEN when they start school but will go on to be as they move through the school.

Exactly at that age the nappies might be a sign of the SEN

Yes, are you sure full time would be better?

If she's finding it so stressful she's not going to the toilet or eating then it may be better that she's part time for now.

The TAs, who are paid through the additional funding schools get for every SEN child? They will be receiving extra funding for OPs child.

Not every SEN child gets a TA, only EHCP.

It is an issue... if there's no SEN then it's pure laziness and the parents need looking at closely.

Sounds like she should have been deferred.

School get extra funding for each SEN child from the notional SEN budget. EHCPs are only considered when the school can't meet the needs of the child with the additional SEN funding they already have for the child.

Yes up to £6000 per year - you think that equates to a TA each? I have a class of 30 with 8 SEN and 12 EAL and no TA.

Some children only “bring in” £6,000 of funding. How on earth is that going to cover a full time member of staff?
Answer- it doesn’t so the rest comes out the schools limited budget and staff members are running round like headless chickens trying to look after children who need 1-2-1 attention.

Ask me how I know……

I'm sorry you're in this situation.

You are within your rights to apply for an EHCP needs assessment yourself, but it's much stronger if it comes from the school. I'd recommend meeting with the SENCO and being explicit that this is needed.

The toileting shouldn't be a reason for part time. Have you been referred to your local paediatric bowel and bladder team?

My DD (Sen) has done a full time timetable since reception (now Y3) despite the school's initial concern. We were very clear to the school that it was their responsibility to ensure she had sufficient quiet time etc. She came into school with an EHCP which did help.

Hilarious.

You clearly don't know much about how difficult it is to get additional funding to support children with SEND.

I find the reaction to SEN kids starting school not toilet trained really frustrating. My daughter did not have the physical ability to be toilet trained for reception! She finally managed it in Y2, but still has regular accidents.

Nursery coped fine with her

Nursery are set up for changing children
Nursery have a 1:8 ratio not a 1:15 or at times 1:30 ratio.
Nursery don't have the expectations of the levels they are expected to get 30 children to that teachers in school have.

The school say she’s struggles with transition but have changed her times a lot in the few months 1-3 then 9 till 12 and now 9 till 1 I’m just worried that it’s gone on for to long . She doesn’t have many accidents at school . She’s started eating bits of her pack lunch now .

Do you think that's right? How on earth have we got to the stage where we think it's ok for children without any SEN to be starting school wearing nappies? I have worked in education since the mid 90s. It's only in the last two years have I seen children start school not being fully toilet trained. Even then, when our head refused to have her staff change nappies and told the parents they would have to come in, they miraculously became able to go without nappies.

How do you know the pupils don’t have SEN? Just because they aren’t recognised as such on starting school doesn’t mean they don’t have SEN. Some won’t have a diagnosis &/or be classed as having SEN when they start school but will go on to be as they move through the school.

Oh poor thing. I read the update so know it's not that she's not toilet trained it's that she won't use the toilets at school. My daughter was like that and still has to talk herself into it now and she's in high school. I don't think your wee one is ready for a longer day to be honest - she'll make herself unwell if she can't use the toilets and that just takes time for her to get used to it. Do they have a plan on how to help her? My daughter was allowed to bring her bestie and they'd stop anyone else using that toilet for a few weeks as it was the flushing and hand dryers that were hard for her.

If she can't use the toilet or eat and you can keep her home for the half day then I wouldn't argue with it. If you're missing work or there are other issues that's a different story.

I hope she settles soon

@BrightYellowTrain we had two dcs start our school last year with the parents insisting they needed to be in nappies. Our head said they had to come in and change them. Lo and behold, after a couple of weeks, they were able to go through the day without nappies. Also, as you obviously didn't read my post properly, I was quoting a PP who said some children without SEN attend school wearing pull ups.

I’m in the EXACT same position. 5 year old son has suspected autism and adhd (quite severe needs but waiting list in the area is 2+ year wait). He’s just got a draft of a ehcp before the final one, so hopefully this helps - but he’s only doing until 12.30 every single day due to his needs. My sister who’s a teacher stated that technically I could say to the school he IS doing full days and not pick him up till the end of the day and they’d be nothing they could do as they’d have to cater to that. But I don’t want to force him to be uncomfortable- yet I know he’s going to have to do it eventually so I’m kind of stuck.

How is the senco at her school? Can you apply for an ehcp? Do you have regular meetings to discuss how to move forward?