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To find dm too clingy

11 replies

Cookingdisaster · 25/01/2025 15:40

Let me start by saying I do love dm, but our relationship has always been complicated. We were never close like the stereotypical 'mother daughter' relationships you see. Dm was quite cold and closed off growing up, and I never felt I could truly be myself around her. She took care of my basic needs well, but was emotionally unavailable. She didn't remember what A levels I was doing (once an Aunty asked her, and was shocked that she didnt know), amongst many other things. I was jealous of the relationships my friends had with their dms, and how they could always turn to them for constructive advice, and their dms were always there for them, without judgement or making them feel like they were wrong for simply feeling.

I never felt dm loved me growing up, there was no feeling behind her words. She always favoured my sibling (the golden child), and to this day, she'll defend his toxic behaviours, deminish my feelings, and everything is always my fault. We had a big argument recently about a huge issue between me and db (we attempted to reconnect after a 6 year estrangement); it didn't work out. Dm got herself involved, because as usual db had been moaning to her (he is 41!!), and she took his side, completely disregarded my feelings, was cold towards me, and sald things like 'how do you think you not speaking makes me feel? Do you want to isolate yourself?" and "you have no one, is this what you want?" She then parroted db's grievances while completely dismissing mine. I am a grown womem, yet found myself attempting to justify why I feel a certain way, and to defend my apparent terrible behaviour. Db has a partner, has had multiple complaints about him at work because of the way he speaks to people, moans to dm. Funnily enough I haven't felt the need to mention him to her once, because we haven't been close since dcs. As adults we have had multiple spells of nc, and we haven't been close; it isn't exactly a surprise. We tried, it didn't work; I wish him well.

I have dh, my dcs, friends and I'm happy. I am more content without my manipulative sibling who causes nothing but drama. Her messages had a lot of "me's" in. The only way it it ended amicably with dm, was me saying that I would be there for her in her old age, and be civil with sibling should I bump into them, etc as we were for df; the parting of ways wouldn't affect her.

I told her I never felt she loved me growing up, we weren't close. She hasn't addressed any of it; it's been swept under the carpet.

Dm and I are very different people. I was a lot closer to my df, who passed away over a year ago. I take after him more. I find dm selfish, entitled and like a little girl lost at times. Since df passed (they were divorced), it has really highlighted the traits of dm he was tormented by in his later year's. I tried to buy her affection since I was a little girl; I never felt enough. Df made me feel like the most loved person on earth. I miss him dearly; his death has only made me see that he was the one person in my old family that I was connected to.

Since dm split up with her bf, fell out with friends (most of them were through her bf), she has been texting me every day, sometimes multiple times. She mainly just has me & ny family, her sister, and acquaintances. I have been delaying responses to try to manage expectations, but it isn't working. She'll text in the middle of dcs bedtime routine/school run times etc which I understand she'll forget about, but she expects responses to be faster. We're not close, our argument was sorecently, I still feel hurt and feel she should be turning to her son who she puts first, yet she complains that she "doesn't hear from him." He is selfish so he'll bother when it suits him. I feel used quite honestly.

My dcs love dm dearly, their relationship is separate and I love that this at least a positive.

I'm a terrible person aren't I? She is 70, and people don't have mothers at all. When the texts come through I feel angry.

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WeeOrcadian · 25/01/2025 15:51

You're not a terrible person at all OP

I have no real advice for you, I'm sure someone will be along with wise words

Please don't feel horrible OP, you have to protect your peace

((Hugs))

Cookingdisaster · 25/01/2025 16:02

WeeOrcadian · 25/01/2025 15:51

You're not a terrible person at all OP

I have no real advice for you, I'm sure someone will be along with wise words

Please don't feel horrible OP, you have to protect your peace

((Hugs))

Thank you for taking the time to read it all. I couldn't put it all into a box, or it would be a novel. I tried to summarise it, but I really feel hurt from the latest argument. She is acting like nothing has ever happened, and like we are best friends, and I need to tell her my every move.
I feel guilty; it is crazy, that she can make me feel a deep insecurity, just as I did as a little girl. I can't strive to appease her anymore, or make her love me.
This latest incident shocked me, and cut to the core, and I am struggling to forgive her. When I get her messages, I feel like saying, "You're texting the wrong child," then I know that is bitter and wrong. I know she is using me.

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Couldyounot · 25/01/2025 16:04

OP, my mother has been dead 6 years and I can tell you that you are not a terrible person. What you describe there would drive most people round the bend

Cherrysoup · 25/01/2025 16:07

Don’t see why you should pander to her, I would be going low contact, frankly. She doesn’t deserve your immediate or indeed any attention. Sorry if I sound brutal, but she should reap what she sowed.

Cookingdisaster · 25/01/2025 16:12

Couldyounot · 25/01/2025 16:04

OP, my mother has been dead 6 years and I can tell you that you are not a terrible person. What you describe there would drive most people round the bend

I am so sorry about your dm.💐
I loved df greatly, and miss him every day.
Dm, I am really struggling with; I don't understand her logic whatsoever. I imagine how I'll feel if she dies, because after df I now know now how it feels, and the perspective it gives. I will be upset; but the grievances will still be there. It makes me feel like there is something wrong with me; I am struggling to have much of a relationship with her, outside of dcs. It is surface level and I don't want msgs every day all of a sudden because it suits.

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Cookingdisaster · 25/01/2025 16:20

Cherrysoup · 25/01/2025 16:07

Don’t see why you should pander to her, I would be going low contact, frankly. She doesn’t deserve your immediate or indeed any attention. Sorry if I sound brutal, but she should reap what she sowed.

No, you don't at all. I look at my young dcs, and if one of them said to me they felt unloved growing up, I'd be absolutely mortified. I'd want to have a proper sit-down conversation.
I'm not perfect nobody is, and I'm sure they'll have their own grievances, every generation does, but I'll die before they feel unloved, and unheard.

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Toolardy · 25/01/2025 16:23

I can sympathise totally - from the coldness of such a mother while growing up to the feeling envious of friends with mums they were close to. My mother also had a golden child - I think she was quite narcissistic. For years I too tried everything to get her to 'like me better' and be a good daughter but after a therapist bluntly said that she would never like me any more than she did - despite what I might do - I took a backward step and became more distant. It saved my sanity. It was hard when she became older but I did my duty while remaining remote and it was on my terms. I would advise the same. I bet you are completely different with your own children. I know I am.

Cookingdisaster · 25/01/2025 16:37

Toolardy · 25/01/2025 16:23

I can sympathise totally - from the coldness of such a mother while growing up to the feeling envious of friends with mums they were close to. My mother also had a golden child - I think she was quite narcissistic. For years I too tried everything to get her to 'like me better' and be a good daughter but after a therapist bluntly said that she would never like me any more than she did - despite what I might do - I took a backward step and became more distant. It saved my sanity. It was hard when she became older but I did my duty while remaining remote and it was on my terms. I would advise the same. I bet you are completely different with your own children. I know I am.

It has really screwed with my mind over the years, and made me feel like I was going crazy. She is a narcissist too.

Yes, I definately make sure. I'm not wired the same way as her, db is repeating history, but worse unfortunately. She has enabled him all of his life.

Now she is 70, I think "but what if she dies?" Dh pointed out that any of us could die at any minute, dm could live until her 90s; it isn't a reason to constantly appease her.

I'm sorry you have a dm like this too.

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LindorDoubleChoc · 25/01/2025 16:46

So you've never had a close relationship with your mother because she never demonstrated any love for you as a child and always favoured your brother. You despise your brother and have no relationship with him and your mother finds this difficult. Since her partner died a year ago, your mother has taken to contacting you and wanting a relationship with you that you don't want. Is this correct?

There's no point in continuing to resent her for her failings as a Mum and you don't have an ally in your brother (to try and manage her expectations or to share the load) so the only thing you can do is to be as relaxed about her imperfections as you can be given that your children love her and want to have a relationship with her. What other solution is there?

Cookingdisaster · 25/01/2025 16:56

LindorDoubleChoc · 25/01/2025 16:46

So you've never had a close relationship with your mother because she never demonstrated any love for you as a child and always favoured your brother. You despise your brother and have no relationship with him and your mother finds this difficult. Since her partner died a year ago, your mother has taken to contacting you and wanting a relationship with you that you don't want. Is this correct?

There's no point in continuing to resent her for her failings as a Mum and you don't have an ally in your brother (to try and manage her expectations or to share the load) so the only thing you can do is to be as relaxed about her imperfections as you can be given that your children love her and want to have a relationship with her. What other solution is there?

No, dm's bf didn't die. They broke up; they'd been together years, but she kept him at a distance; not involved with db, and I.
It was my dad that died over a year ago (they were divorced, he was a good man).

I don't despise db, I don't like him though for a number of reasons, and personality traits, disrespect of boundaries and the way he treats others. I have tried multiple times, but it hadn't worked; it was mutual.

Thank you, you're absolutely right. I just don't know what to do, because she keeps texting, I don't understand why. It makes me feel guilty, and I second guess myself.

She sees dcs every school holiday, they love her, not as close as some grandchildren and grandparents, but it is something. My relationship with her is even more surface level now than it was before, in tne sense my level of contact is lower, because I am hurt over what happened. I don't see a point in addressing it, I'm sure she has to already know. I guess I convinced myself after df died, that she had changed. She hasn't.

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thepariscrimefiles · 25/01/2025 17:27

Cookingdisaster · 25/01/2025 16:56

No, dm's bf didn't die. They broke up; they'd been together years, but she kept him at a distance; not involved with db, and I.
It was my dad that died over a year ago (they were divorced, he was a good man).

I don't despise db, I don't like him though for a number of reasons, and personality traits, disrespect of boundaries and the way he treats others. I have tried multiple times, but it hadn't worked; it was mutual.

Thank you, you're absolutely right. I just don't know what to do, because she keeps texting, I don't understand why. It makes me feel guilty, and I second guess myself.

She sees dcs every school holiday, they love her, not as close as some grandchildren and grandparents, but it is something. My relationship with her is even more surface level now than it was before, in tne sense my level of contact is lower, because I am hurt over what happened. I don't see a point in addressing it, I'm sure she has to already know. I guess I convinced myself after df died, that she had changed. She hasn't.

Edited

You are not being unreasonable at all OP. Your mum is the one who should be feeling guilty, not you. Being 70 isn't a 'get out of jail free' card for previous cold and uncaring behaviour towards you. She favoured your brother when you were children and is still doing it now, despite his toxic behaviour.

I certainly wouldn't rush to respond to her messages. Just reply when it's convenient for you. I don't think your children see her often enough to really miss her if you pull back from your relationship with her.

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