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Taking knives out of society? Is it possible?

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Badluckstreak · 24/01/2025 00:54

would it be possible to make it a legal requirement to have a license in order to own a knife that’s over an inch long? I know it sounds crazy at first but we could replace kitchen knives with kiddicutter knives throughout the country? Restaurants and cafes would be exempt, but people need a police check to work there. I think it’s potentially a good idea. Thoughts?

OP posts:
GreyCarpet · 24/01/2025 06:20

A solution is clearly wanted so it's fine to start discussions on it and make suggestions because that's how ideas evolve.

I do think it's a bit of a losing battle though. We need knives. Even if they were only sold for kitchen use, there's nothing to stop someone from concealing one and taking it out with them. No one would know they've got it until it was used.

We may as well try banning big stones because they could be used to hit someone over the head with

BogRollBOGOF · 24/01/2025 06:26

The vasr majority of households will have an array of sharp knives, scissors and other pointy tools desgned, and intended for functional use.

As horrific as knife crimes are, they're generally not done with standard domestic knives, and certainly not the types of attack that initiated this conversation; illegal knives bought for status and maximum harm value are used.
The percentage of domestic knives that get used in violent crime is very, very low.

There are already laws and age restrictions on buying blades that are proportionate to their functional use

It was possible to further tighten gun controls because guns are only a functional tool to a minority of people, and our existing gun control and culture already had that at a practical level to manage.

Humans have used blades since they bashed rocks and found sharp edges of flint. They are prety much our earliest tools

It's not blades that are the problem, it's a minority of people who are drawn into dangerous violent subcultures and ideologies. Cars and other motor vehicles have already been used world-wide for mass murder and maiming. We can't ban those too.

It's a culture problem not a tool problem.

Dogaredabomb · 24/01/2025 06:30

I always thought I'd pop a rock in a sock to kill someone. Then throw both in the river. Or soap in a sock, that would dissolve in the river.

BarkPench · 24/01/2025 06:37

HobnobsChoice · 24/01/2025 03:24

@Autumn1990
Machetes and zombie knives were banned in Sept 2024. Kids are still carrying them. They just don't think they'll get caught.
Agricultural machetes are still legal if you're over 18 and working on a farm/are a tree surgeon/gardener. To cut through brambles and bracken on farmland etc you need something bigger than a pruning knife to clear paths quickly.

Saying "ban all sharp edges and knives" is the definition of knee jerk reaction. It doesn't start a conversation it terminates it. Just look above, people are saying that alternatives would be found (look at prisons and shivs made from empty cans. Or loo brushes). If you ban anything that someone could use to harm others then the next logical step is to ban anything you could use to strangle some one. Like a usb cable or a dressing gown belt or the cord in a hoodie. It's missing the fact that 99% of people won't use these things to harm others.

The conversation should be about;
How can we tackle obsessions with extreme violence and glorification of it.
Why so many young people (and it's nearly all boys and men) feel the need to carry knives or other weapons
Why is gang culture so embedded in certain areas with the notions of oppos etc and diss tracks.
How can we identify those who are at risk of carrying out violence whether gang related or on the wider community?

I'd suggest that almost all these questions can be partially or largely addressed for starters with the following
A) closing the inequality gap.
B) mental health support that actually exists
C) more policing and early help/youth justice to be meaningful
D) addressing toxic masculinity

Exactly this. Great post.
a lot of it comes down to government spending cuts.

SkankingWombat · 24/01/2025 06:41

It would be much cheaper to invest properly in MH services than try and enforce the law you're proposing OP.
Added bonus: levels of population happiness would be higher, more people would be able to stay in work and be net contributors, and nobody would have to give up homemade carrot batons.

Nothanks17 · 24/01/2025 07:04

That would be butternut squash out the window

MangoAndMelon · 24/01/2025 07:10

What we need is less stupid panic asking about "should we ban all knives and chew things into pieces instead" and start asking serious questions about why someone who said numerous times to numerous people they want to kill someone was not sectioned and threats investigated properly.

RingoJuice · 24/01/2025 07:18

It's not blades that are the problem, it's a minority of people who are drawn into dangerous violent subcultures and ideologies. Cars and other motor vehicles have already been used world-wide for mass murder and maiming. We can't ban those too

You have put up bollards and will enact China-type knife restrictions. It is inevitable, you are not going to be able to change hearts and minds with ‘programs’ or ‘interventions’. They need to face very real consequences and serious prison time.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 24/01/2025 07:28

UnicornWorld · 24/01/2025 02:10

It did occur to me that the posts about needing sharp knives to cook pork etc weren't in the best taste.

Thar said , I'm not sure banning anything works.

What’s wrong with cooking pork? Nothing.

What's wrong is that so many of us have no idea of normal everyday activities that they think knives in a household are not needed.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 24/01/2025 07:31

Nothanks17 · 24/01/2025 07:04

That would be butternut squash out the window

You won’t even be allowed to say this in OP’s brave new world.

It’s literally inciting violence by butternut squash.

Winterskyfall · 24/01/2025 07:34

Badluckstreak · 24/01/2025 01:12

Do I cook? No, not really but I hear they are really good knives that cannot pierce skin. I know it is a radical suggestion, and definitely won’t cure the problem but it might go some way to reduce it alongside other measures. I don’t want to live in a society where people have potentially serious weapons in their homes.

Edited

Drills, garden shears, hammers, axe, etc. All potential weapons. Don't be ridiculous. The issue it the behaviour not the item used to chop my vegetables. I've had knives in my house all my life and miraculously managed not to stab anyone.

Princessfluffy · 24/01/2025 07:52

This really is barking up the wrong tree.
It's not owning a knife that is the problem here.

UnicornWorld · 24/01/2025 11:54

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 24/01/2025 07:28

What’s wrong with cooking pork? Nothing.

What's wrong is that so many of us have no idea of normal everyday activities that they think knives in a household are not needed.

I didn't say there was.

I just don't think the mocking of Op is necessary.

crystallina · 24/01/2025 12:06

maudelovesharold · 24/01/2025 01:39

I don’t want to live in a society where people have potentially serious weapons in their homes.

Razor blades, screwdrivers, saws, hammers, any number of tools routinely kept in people’s homes? I’m sorry, but you can’t ban everything that could ever be used as, or turned into, a weapon by someone hell-bent on hurting or killing others.

Scissors. How would people manage without scissors op?

DancingOctopus · 24/01/2025 12:07

crystallina · 24/01/2025 12:06

Scissors. How would people manage without scissors op?

It's fine. We can have our scissors replaced with those blunt plastic ones that you give to toddlers.

TickingAlongNicely · 24/01/2025 12:23

DancingOctopus · 24/01/2025 12:07

It's fine. We can have our scissors replaced with those blunt plastic ones that you give to toddlers.

I cut myself on child safety scissors a few weeks ago.

VickyEadieofThigh · 24/01/2025 12:27

The need to have a licence for all manner of things will not stop law breakers having the item.

Bumply · 24/01/2025 12:38

In a fit of rage I once stabbed a normal dinner knife into a wooden stool.

it slipped and I managed to tear a finger open in a cut that would have been easier to staunch the blood flow if it had been made with a sharp knife.

you’re being ridiculous.

CrowleyKitten · 25/01/2025 02:07

Bumply · 24/01/2025 12:38

In a fit of rage I once stabbed a normal dinner knife into a wooden stool.

it slipped and I managed to tear a finger open in a cut that would have been easier to staunch the blood flow if it had been made with a sharp knife.

you’re being ridiculous.

Edited

chefs are always saying you're more likely to cut yourself on a blunt knife

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