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To feel a bit like everyone hates me when I'm a British tourist in Europe now

341 replies

Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 16:23

I try with the language, I try not to get in people's way, I tip and I don't complain.

But everything still feels much more hostile than it used to.

OP posts:
Ellmau · 18/01/2025 10:36

That's largely down to being bilingual Welsh and English originally which makes it easier to learn other Romance languages.

But neither Welsh nor English is a romance language.

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:36

Ellmau · 18/01/2025 10:36

That's largely down to being bilingual Welsh and English originally which makes it easier to learn other Romance languages.

But neither Welsh nor English is a romance language.

I thought the same thing but decided to leave it.

This thread is hilariously stupid

Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:36

Reasons being?
That for me ?

If I list of the reasons why here, you'll only get annoyed and try to deny them 🤣..or tell me those Greeks are frightfully rude people .

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:37

Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:36

Reasons being?
That for me ?

If I list of the reasons why here, you'll only get annoyed and try to deny them 🤣..or tell me those Greeks are frightfully rude people .

I'm starting to see why you experience hostility from strangers.

Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:38

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:37

I'm starting to see why you experience hostility from strangers.

You must be confusing me with another poster. I don't receive hostility.

HazelTheDormouse · 18/01/2025 10:38

If a shop, restaurant or tourist resort are treating you with contempt, just don’t go there. Don’t give them your money. Vote with your feet. There’s no way I’d spend my hard earned cash there.

There are lots of places that will welcome your money. If the Spanish don’t want us there, don’t go. Why on earth would you go on holiday, for a rest, to people shouting obscenities at you, with placards, and squirting water pistols at you?

Of course many Brits are horrible abroad, but let them all crack on with each other and you go somewhere you are welcome. I’m never planning on going to Spain again. I’ve been there loads of times and I won’t cry into my pillow if I don’t go again. I’m respectful and polite when I’m there so I’m not going to entertain any crap as a tourist. I’ll go to other places and not have to worry about my safety or being verbally abused.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/01/2025 10:45

Solaire18381 · 17/01/2025 21:37

I don't find that at all but I guess it depends where you go. If it's resort in a holiday area, I find a lot of the staff are from elsewhere anyway, not necessarily the EU.

Ditto to this. In Cyprus with friends once (he is a dual Brit/Greek Cypriot) I wondered why he was speaking to a waiter in English, rather than Greek.
Waiter was Bulgarian! (But v likely did speak pretty good Greek anyway.)

Funnily enough, when in Provincetown (US Cape Cod) we also once had a Bulgarian waiter, who told us he came every summer season (which is pretty short in CC) to help fund his studies.

saveforthat · 18/01/2025 10:46

I went to Europe several times last year and never experienced any hostility. Completely the opposite. I'm English.

Snakeoilmaks · 18/01/2025 10:46

Everythingisnumbersnow · 17/01/2025 16:49

Yes the Mediterranean "guiri go home" thing is racism.

Obviously I am lucky to be able to go home some people are stuck living and working among people who dislike them.

I live in Spain, not stuck here. Some people like me, some people don’t. This is life ! Have a good attitude and if you find hostility or rudeness then don’t return 🤔

Scirocco · 18/01/2025 10:50

Ellmau · 18/01/2025 10:36

That's largely down to being bilingual Welsh and English originally which makes it easier to learn other Romance languages.

But neither Welsh nor English is a romance language.

I know this isn't what Romance means in linguistics, but now I've got the 'Fancy Restaurant' episode of Bluey in my head. "It's very romance".

Longma · 18/01/2025 10:51

I haven't experienced this at all.

We go to Switzerland fairly regularly at the moment and always feel welcome.

We travel to Europe and further afield in holidays a few times each year and again - never had any hostility at all. Always felt welcome.

KarminaBurana · 18/01/2025 10:54

Everythingisnumbersnow · 18/01/2025 10:26

Hahaha Scottish is British for everyone outside the UK sorry (a whole other thread 🤣)

Scottish is British.

Longma · 18/01/2025 10:59

LlynTegid · 17/01/2025 17:56

I make every effort not to be identified as coming from these shores, since the self inflicted economic harm of Brexit. If I don't know enough of the local language at a restaurant say, I ask if I can have the menu in French. I wear things that do not identify me as coming from these shores.

I've not had open hostility but I don't go away wanting to talk about Brexit or what I think of some aspect of UK politics.

As I previously mentioned - I go away fairly regularly and often we end up , passing pleasantries, etc with locals. However I've never once been asked about uk politics or similar. Similarly I don't ask about the politics in their country, would seem an odd conversation starter with a stranger to me.

I suspect it's very obvious that I'm British.
But still never had anyone seem very interested in such things, especially in Europe.

Shubbypubby · 18/01/2025 11:03

If you're white British and they're white Europeans, it's not racism surely?

Kaaardiffgalnow · 18/01/2025 11:04

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:36

I thought the same thing but decided to leave it.

This thread is hilariously stupid

There's a considerable Latin influence on Welsh, that's the strong link to Romance languages.

But, hey, even if you don't speak or understand Welsh, don't let that hold you back from dismissing those that do reap the benefits of bilingualism.

And then wonder why the English have a reputation for arrogance at home and abroad.

Redcandlescandal · 18/01/2025 11:07

No I haven’t experienced this anywhere. I was in Spain in October and Italy in November. No hostility at all, despite my shit language skills and very Celtic appearance.

boltt · 18/01/2025 11:07

Welsh is a Celtic language.

worrisomeasset · 18/01/2025 11:12

While on holiday in Spain last year, DH and I went to a restaurant on our first night there. DH’s beer belly and flip-flops must have alerted the staff to the fact that we were British as they shouted “fuck off home, you English bastards” at us and then started squirting us with water pistols. I pointed out that we were actually Scottish, and they immediately put away their water pistols and garlanded us with flowers instead. The same thing happened to us at every restaurant we visited.

Newgirls · 18/01/2025 11:14

I remember we spoke Spanish in Lanzarote to the car hire person and she was delighted and said it was so rare for an English person to try. I mean how hard is it to say hello etc

post brexit I think we will be seen as different and we deserve it

KarminaBurana · 18/01/2025 11:20

worrisomeasset · 18/01/2025 11:12

While on holiday in Spain last year, DH and I went to a restaurant on our first night there. DH’s beer belly and flip-flops must have alerted the staff to the fact that we were British as they shouted “fuck off home, you English bastards” at us and then started squirting us with water pistols. I pointed out that we were actually Scottish, and they immediately put away their water pistols and garlanded us with flowers instead. The same thing happened to us at every restaurant we visited.

Perhaps it's worthwhile investing in Saltire sweatbands and clothing, and wearing those comedy Tam-o-shanters with the messy ginger wigs attached.
Apologies if that is your regular hairstyle and head gear.

Goldenbear · 18/01/2025 11:24

Notimeforaname · 18/01/2025 10:30

I have explained what I think above. I don't know for sure but nobody ever, ever gets it wrong

What's hilarious about mumsnet is, if your experiences upset or offend anyone,they'll just gaslight you and deny that your reality exists! 🤣🤦‍♀️
We have greek friends who work in hospitality, its a normal thing for them on slow working days to play "Spot the English" The Greeks also get eye rolly when Italians come in as they often buy one drink between two, or nothing at all and want to split the bill 16 ways.
Stereotypes are everywhere, even if you don't like it, they exist for a reason, people see it.

But the OP said she's/he's Scottish so why is the spot the English anecdote relevant?

So OP further up thread when you were describing your typical Brit looks, "round face...etc." you are Scottish? This was the point I was trying to make, London population alone has over 8.7 million people, Scotland's whole population is 5.4 million, therefore if you brought up in London and live in the south east so further increasing the diversity of people you know then this 'typical' Brit stereotype looks wise is at least unlikely to be true! Anecdotally my friendship group is really diverse, only one person with English white heritage going back centuries both sides!

Hazey19 · 18/01/2025 11:26

I feel like this too. I feel embarrassed that I’m English when I’m abroad, it shouldn’t be like this should it x

Goldenbear · 18/01/2025 11:26

worrisomeasset · 18/01/2025 11:12

While on holiday in Spain last year, DH and I went to a restaurant on our first night there. DH’s beer belly and flip-flops must have alerted the staff to the fact that we were British as they shouted “fuck off home, you English bastards” at us and then started squirting us with water pistols. I pointed out that we were actually Scottish, and they immediately put away their water pistols and garlanded us with flowers instead. The same thing happened to us at every restaurant we visited.

The OP has said she is Scottish so the warm welcome hasn't been afforded her by all accounts.

Goldenbear · 18/01/2025 11:33

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:32

It's literally just because the Irish (and Welsh and Scottish) are seen as underdogs. And everyone loves an underdog.

It depends what part of Europe you are referencing. The OP has used 'Europe' in the title but I know from family in Denmark they don't mind the British or the English, they like the sense of humour.

fairycakes1234 · 18/01/2025 11:33

boltt · 18/01/2025 10:32

It's literally just because the Irish (and Welsh and Scottish) are seen as underdogs. And everyone loves an underdog.

Sorry but that's simply not true, I think we just have a good reputation abroad, simple as!

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