To wonder what could Starmer do, to turn things around?

[B0xes]

He was elected on fewer votes than Corbyn with very lukewarm support, the Tories lost that election, Labour did not sweep in on a tide of public approval, they just benefitted from peoples anger at the Conservatives. Since then, Starmers approval rating has tanked. He seems to have gone from one ill judged move to the next and seems totally tone deaf in speeches. Can he turn it around? What would he need to do?

Quoting a left wing rag doesn’t change facts. 0 forcible deportations to Rwanda. And highest ever welfare bill under the Tories.

For God's sake. There are plenty of facts in that article.

The EHRC is undertaking an inquiry into DWP's treatment of ill and disabled people. Fact.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/department-work-and-pensions-under-investigation-treatment-disabled-benefits-claimants

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coroners-report-describes-how-disabled-woman-died-after-dwp-told-her-she-owed-13k/

Anyway, you are obviously on a wind up, so I will leave it there.

This. The Starmer fan girls will argue this. It’s embarrassing.

Tories, highest tax burden on higher earners. All whilst protecting pensioners, increasing the welfare bill, throwing money around like confetti during Covid. Ironically, Labour are proving to be more right than the Tories right now. The Tories were no where near left. There will be many, many more sad face articles when people die because of Labour’s incoming cuts to welfare and the WFA.

I’m astonished that certain media outlets haven’t already found pensioners frozen to death in their homes. After all we’re three months into the winter now. Their journalists are obviously slacking.

Starmer fan girls? How very misogynistic.

a)I am not a Starmer fan. He is too centrist for my taste.

b) I am not a girl.

Beneath contempt and best ignored. I can’t take anyone seriously who thinks the current iteration of Tories is left wing.

I guess we’ll see what Labour supporters say about cuts soon

I guess we’ll see what cuts are proposed and why before we speculate. I find it’s quite useful to have some factual information when I form an opinion.

Loads of talk about it. I know some on mn like to block out stuff

Up to them, I can’t say I care how they filter

Getting rid of Raynor and Reeves might be a start. And getting someone into those posts who actually knows what they're doing.....

Talk’s cheap. When the government tells us what it’s proposing I’ll consider the facts and form an opinion. Until then I refuse to speculate on hypothesis.

As for Starmer I believe there was a thread with a title around that showing keenness

Not everyone clearly going by public sentiment via polls

We can’t afford the sheer number of human beings who don’t go to work.

Too many people too ill too work, too many people too old to work, too many people not allowed to work (seeking asylum for example). All paid not to work. It’s not sustainable. Plus Importing people to do the jobs the ill people can’t do, which increases the tax base but also call on services.

People have to come off UC and go to work to balance the books and we need to stop importing people to do jobs that people already here could do. Nobody wants to hear this, let alone do it. The old people just aren’t up to going to work, so the (mental) health crisis needs to be sorted out.

The asylum seekers are very expensive because we live in an expensive country and they are not allowed to work.

l doubt very much we will be allowed to send any of these groups of expensive people to a country which is peaceful and sponsor them to live there because it’s cheaper. We have to solve the problems in the UK.

Can Starmer do it? He doesn’t mind being unpopular. But his judgement is shocking. Taking money for clothes and specs, letting Rachel Reeves do a budget without doing the maths, imprisoning people for Facebook posts while letting out prisoners, paying twice to get shut of an asset (Chagos). The man seems incapable of a good decision.

It’s embarrassing. It reminds me of teenagers who crush on their pop star idol and then troll or threaten and doxx people who “throw shade.” Supposedly grown adults. It’s mortifying.

IMO he could start by not looking almost permanently worried and gloomy (though it’s understandable why!)
God knows I’m no fan of Boris, but one reason for his former popularity, I’m sure, was his air of cheerful optimism.
I dare say KS can’t help his face, though.

Yes, “cringe” as my children would say

It would be hugely embarrassing if there was a grain of truth in it.

What’s embarrassing is calling oneself a Starmerista.

What’s embarrassing is failing to see it’s a piss take.

Yeah, right.

@WhitegreeNcandle

"Young people absolutely can get jobs. They just don’t to do them."

So we need to look at how can young people choose not to work in the same way that 9 million people choose to be economically inactive.

Firstly as you correctly point out there is a history or an acceptance of choosing not to work that doesn't exist in say China or South Korea. Many of these young people have parents and siblings who also never chose to work. The culture of "victimhood" and not wanting to work has to stop before it becomes an epidemic.

Why do they choose not to work? Because of two things the system means that they can afford to do so and the difference between benefits and salaries are too small to incentivise work. To take two extremes if there were no benefits then the choice would be between starvation, crime or work. But equally if Amazon were paying delivery drivers or care homes were paying their staff say £100k a year then there would be no shortage of people switching from economic inactivity to paid employment.

But this isn't happening because the Government allows Amazon and care homes to import cheaper labour from abroad. If such companies simply couldn't import cheap labour then they would have a choice of paying local resident staff more or not having the parcel delivered and the care home operate

Next 50 years ago most areas had their large local industries where young people with regular education could always get a respectable job (often through a local network) on a salary that they could afford to buy a modest house and raise a family. That no longer exists because of high labour and energy costs compared to other countries and house price inflation out stripping incomes. The industries have closed and move to other countries with lower wages and cheaper (but more polluting ) energy.

So turning these points into policies:
There should be no difference in incapacity benefit and unemployment benefit. A combination of benefits being toughened up and the minimum salary increased.
Legal migration significantly restricted.
Tariffs on industrial products such as steel, aluminium, chemicals, cars, ships etc etc
Cheaper energy by shifting the environmental taxes away from bills and back to general taxation.

From the thread you’re referencing.

I've always gone with mockery.
Thread 14 - The Starmeristas Strike Back perhaps?
(Joking 🤣)

I don’t have time for badly run fan fiction threads, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a few cats called Kier on there as well.

Yep.

And woe betide if anyone (accidentally on purpose) spells Our Dear Leader's name wrong!