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To wonder what could Starmer do, to turn things around?

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B0xes · 16/01/2025 08:35

He was elected on fewer votes than Corbyn with very lukewarm support, the Tories lost that election, Labour did not sweep in on a tide of public approval, they just benefitted from peoples anger at the Conservatives. Since then, Starmers approval rating has tanked. He seems to have gone from one ill judged move to the next and seems totally tone deaf in speeches. Can he turn it around? What would he need to do?

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PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 20:21

JRSKSSBH · 17/01/2025 20:19

Assisted dying. Just in time. Pensioners won’t starve. They’ll be euthanised.

Starmer really doesn’t give a fuck about UK citizens. He cares about aid for Ukrainian (oligachs), admitting huge numbers of illegal migrants, money for Chagossians, aid to Africa, compensation for Irish terrorists. None of this was mentioned at the election. British pensioners and workers are beneath his contempt.

The next four years are about implementing the transfer of wealth abroad, the destruction of what is left of our industrial base (oil and gas, auto-motives especially) and the ruination of our energy and food security.

Oof. The shark was jumped very early!

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 20:21

Feelingathomenow · 17/01/2025 19:48

We need highly selective immigration in the short term. In the long term whilst we have so many long term unemployed/sicknwe need to address this. Where things can be done to get long term sick back into work like metal health support that should be prioritised. We need to refocus the education system to stone people wasting thousands on shit like “gender studies” and incentivise qualifications in high need jobs/increase straight from school training in these areas.

We need to move away from being a service industry economy. We need more concentration on being a self sufficient country. The world over the next 50-100 years is going to get increasingly hostile we need to be able to be as self sufficient as possible

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Good points. The latter should include food and energy security as a priority, the former is being hindered, the latter needs the full mix of energy which has been pulled back

Feelingathomenow · 17/01/2025 20:23

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 20:21

Good points. The latter should include food and energy security as a priority, the former is being hindered, the latter needs the full mix of energy which has been pulled back

Exactly- we need to think about being as self sufficient as possible. We need to be adjusting our lives now to survive the future.

Papyrophile · 17/01/2025 20:47

I am (mostly) "economically inactive". I draw no unemployment benefits, nor am I registered as unemployed, nor am I looking for work. There are millions like me.
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I am similar to this, I don't work the 70 hours a week I used to work when I was full on and self-employed. I retrained as a teacher but no school wanted to employ me at 50. So I run family life and pension funds. One pension (NEST) for the company and another for the family.

Some people work flat out to succeed in life; others don't. Who can judge which is the better path?

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 21:20

1dayatatime · 17/01/2025 19:32

@BIossomtoes

"My criticism with Labour is the WFA, that was just stupid and is something they should reverse and bring in for higher rate tax payers only.

That would have made it pointless. It wouldn’t have raised enough money."

The simpler solution would have been to make the WFA a taxable benefit. A lot easier to implement and with no cliff edge changes.

Then it would have only achieved 60 to 80% of the savings. The simplest solution is precisely what’s been done. The threshold should have been at the same level as that for paying income tax.

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 21:22

DeadSpace3 · 17/01/2025 19:50

As I said, they tried and were blocked by Labour.

They couldn’t be blocked by Labour. They had a 80 seat majority for five years. They could have done anything they wanted to.

unmemorableusername · 17/01/2025 21:53

Say what a woman is & update the equality act.

1dayatatime · 17/01/2025 22:07

@PandoraSox

"I am (mostly) "economically inactive". I draw no unemployment benefits, nor am I registered as unemployed, nor am I looking for work. There are millions like me."

Absolutely there are millions like you - 9 million to be exact.

It should also absolutely be your choice whether you choose to work or not. But by not working you do become an unfair cost to other taxpayers. These taxpayers pay for the NHS that you use, they pay for the schools, the police, the military and even the roads you travel on.

I'm sure many people are in jobs that they would rather not do on Monday morning but they still do and as a result they pay income taxes to the government to pay for these things.

Can you see how some of these people going to work early on Monday morning might resent the fact that you chose not to but are benefiting from the taxes they pay.

StarDolphins · 17/01/2025 22:12

PandoraSox · 16/01/2025 21:27

Bit why would any PM with a massive majority even think of calling an election less than seven months after their party was elected?

Because their popularity has massively plummeted?

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 22:26

1dayatatime · 17/01/2025 22:07

@PandoraSox

"I am (mostly) "economically inactive". I draw no unemployment benefits, nor am I registered as unemployed, nor am I looking for work. There are millions like me."

Absolutely there are millions like you - 9 million to be exact.

It should also absolutely be your choice whether you choose to work or not. But by not working you do become an unfair cost to other taxpayers. These taxpayers pay for the NHS that you use, they pay for the schools, the police, the military and even the roads you travel on.

I'm sure many people are in jobs that they would rather not do on Monday morning but they still do and as a result they pay income taxes to the government to pay for these things.

Can you see how some of these people going to work early on Monday morning might resent the fact that you chose not to but are benefiting from the taxes they pay.

I worked for around 35 years (more if you add in casual work I did as a student). I am now a full time carer for my DH who is disabled (who worked for nearly 40 years).

Feel free to resent me and my DH, but only if you take on my caring responsibilities and his disability.

BTW I still pay income tax. As do a lot of economically inactive people.

suburburban · 17/01/2025 22:35

Cattenberg · 16/01/2025 13:07

Most controversial reduce the population by cutting legal immigration, birth rates already below replacement etc (less people = less pressure on infrastructure, services and resources). Again this will have an inflationary consequence.

OK, so the birth rate will continue to fall, and the percentage of the population who are retired will increase year on year.

Now, who’s going to do the work? Who’s going to harvest our crops, provide our medical care, provide personal care for our elderly, educate our children, collect our rubbish, clean our streets, keep our supermarkets stocked… Perhaps reducing legal immigration wasn’t such a good idea, after all.

There was another thread on here saying the young people can't get jobs.

We need to prioritise who is already here.

There are too many people coming who are a drain on our resources and it needs to stop

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 22:36

StarDolphins · 17/01/2025 22:12

Because their popularity has massively plummeted?

That’s a reason not to, surely.

WhitegreeNcandle · 18/01/2025 06:59

suburburban · 17/01/2025 22:35

There was another thread on here saying the young people can't get jobs.

We need to prioritise who is already here.

There are too many people coming who are a drain on our resources and it needs to stop

Young people absolutely can get jobs. They just don’t to do them. Plenty of jobs in farming, plumbing, bricklaying you can walk into tomorrow (to be fair you’d probably need an apprenticeship in some of them). They just don’t want to do them. They want 9-4 with Fridays off in offices, not grafting outside in all weathers.

SnapdragonToadflax · 18/01/2025 07:29

StarDolphins · 17/01/2025 22:12

Because their popularity has massively plummeted?

That's not how elections work 🙄 Stop being influenced by whatever far-right rubbish you're reading.

TheDork · 18/01/2025 07:40

wholettheturnipsburn · 17/01/2025 10:35

Did that sound witty on your head?

Calm down, dear.

suburburban · 18/01/2025 07:43

@WhitegreeNcandle

You are probably right

sofasofa42 · 18/01/2025 09:07

What actual part of brexit is right now making it harder on UK. I live in EU. You all look in a good position from my view.

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:20

PandoraSox · 17/01/2025 19:37

We need immigration. The Tories had 14 years to improve infrastructure and services to accommodate that fact. They failed to do so.

the left wingers in the UK & EU are destroying their respective countries with ridiculous immigration policies

Eta: So why didn't the Tories do something about this?

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Because the Tories are left winger and socialists. What makes you think otherwise. Their track record is clear.

Highest ever taxes - until Two Tier and Rachel from accounts took over and made it even worse.

Open borders and One million a year net migration

Uncontolled borrowing and printing money to pay for people to sit at home

highest ever public spending, massive bloated state and civil sector

Highest ever welfare and benefits

Lowest productivity

PandoraSox · 18/01/2025 09:29

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:20

Because the Tories are left winger and socialists. What makes you think otherwise. Their track record is clear.

Highest ever taxes - until Two Tier and Rachel from accounts took over and made it even worse.

Open borders and One million a year net migration

Uncontolled borrowing and printing money to pay for people to sit at home

highest ever public spending, massive bloated state and civil sector

Highest ever welfare and benefits

Lowest productivity

Aye, the Rwanda plan was so left wing. See also the hounding of disabled people and the "reform" of the NHS with a view to making it easier to privatise. That is just off the top of my head.

Even the current Labour government isn't left wing. Left of centre and Tory lite in some aspects.

I guess you are a Farage fan?

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:34

PandoraSox · 18/01/2025 09:29

Aye, the Rwanda plan was so left wing. See also the hounding of disabled people and the "reform" of the NHS with a view to making it easier to privatise. That is just off the top of my head.

Even the current Labour government isn't left wing. Left of centre and Tory lite in some aspects.

I guess you are a Farage fan?

And how many people did they forcibly deport to Rwanda. Yes, that right - 0. And what ‘hounding’? The welfare bill had never been larger than it was under the Tories.

You can make stuff up but it doesn’t change facts.

BIossomtoes · 18/01/2025 09:41

And how many people did they forcibly deport to Rwanda. Yes, that right - 0.

Not for the want of trying.

EasternStandard · 18/01/2025 09:42

sofasofa42 · 18/01/2025 09:07

What actual part of brexit is right now making it harder on UK. I live in EU. You all look in a good position from my view.

We were on the up, it’s stalled somewhat in second half of 2024 but will see re 2025

I get your point though on the eurozone and various figures there, Germany, France etc

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:45

BIossomtoes · 18/01/2025 09:41

And how many people did they forcibly deport to Rwanda. Yes, that right - 0.

Not for the want of trying.

Yeah, those pesky facts again. Whenever the facts don’t support your narrative, just come out with some random statement.

The Tories were left. Their record on the economy, borrowing, tax, ballooning state spending, social issues and immigration proves that. It’s in the numbers.

PandoraSox · 18/01/2025 09:46

Anniedash · 18/01/2025 09:34

And how many people did they forcibly deport to Rwanda. Yes, that right - 0. And what ‘hounding’? The welfare bill had never been larger than it was under the Tories.

You can make stuff up but it doesn’t change facts.

I made nothing up.

The Rwanda plan may have failed, but that does not change the fact that it was a right wing populist policy.

As for the hounding of disabled people:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/22/inquiry-to-begin-into-dwps-treatment-of-ill-and-disabled-people-on-benefits

Inquiry to begin into DWP’s treatment of ill and disabled people on benefits

Some eligibility decisions have been linked to deaths of vulnerable claimants, and EHRC will examine if ministers acted unlawfully

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/22/inquiry-to-begin-into-dwps-treatment-of-ill-and-disabled-people-on-benefits