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Shouldn’t after school clubs be for everybody?

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Passionfruitlove · 11/01/2025 07:33

8yo (year 4) DS school offers free after school clubs. They start the second week of every new term. He usually attends football and basketball. School sends an invite out via email then we click on a link to register interest. Yesterday I realised I hadn’t received any emails about it so I phoned the office. They told me that emails were sent out and all places were fully booked. I told them that I hadn’t received any emails and was told that the sports coach had started offering places based on ability.

DS then told me that 3 boys out of his class had been chosen for both football and basketball. I understand going off ability for competitions/tournaments but surely after school clubs should be for everyone?!

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ChicagoPizza · 11/01/2025 08:06

What a shitty school!

Georgieporgie29 · 11/01/2025 08:07

Yes op it is very frustrating. The after school clubs should be more inclusive. Our previous primary school was the same and they just picked the best for the clubs and those who weren’t as good, maybe because they had sen or because their parents couldn’t afford clubs out of school and so were new to the sports and didn’t have the same experience were excluded.

So you have 3 children there that have 2 clubs and some children have none? How are the children that are not as good supposed to improve?

Timetochillnow · 11/01/2025 08:07

Sporty kids tend to be good at sports in general and can definitely excel at more than one but that’s not a great ethos for after school clubs - if it’s over subscribed then the school should rotate places each term

BogRollBOGOF · 11/01/2025 08:08

When you select and train children with better ability that at an early age, you deny the others the chance to practice, learn and improve and open the gap up. If you don't practice, you'll never be "good enough" and the gap only grows.

I got DS2 into football too late... at 8. The Covid year meant he couldn't play anything structured with other children for the entitity of being 7, lost social confidence, didn't get selected, didn't grow confidence, to catch up, didn't get selected, never played games, the gap grew and grew. The school team was entirely people playing matches outside school.

Team sports are for winners not for everyone 🤷‍♀️

Fortunately he's into solo sports, and long term has a better chance of contining.

Girasoli · 11/01/2025 08:08

First come first served at our school.

There are separate teams for a few sports (the places go to year 5 and 6).

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 11/01/2025 08:09

ShatnersWoodwind · 11/01/2025 07:46

Thos is absolutely shocking OP! Their job as PE teachers is to teach ALL children how to enjoy sport and physical activity and help them lead a more active life. How does this policy achieve that? What's next, only teaching maths to the bright children!?! Because that is the obvious parallel!

That's the job they do during the day as PE teachers. This is an extra, after-school club.

creamsnugjumper · 11/01/2025 08:09

I mean the most logical thing would be the register interest and then run it on a rota, so everyone gets a term or say 3-4 weeks at a minimum.

RhaenysRocks · 11/01/2025 08:09

Passionfruitlove · 11/01/2025 07:59

Maybe a bit of favouritism at play too. The 3 boys from his class for example, how can they be talented in both basketball and football

Of course they can ..sporty, well coordinated kids will often be good at most sports. The school are in the wrong here absolutely but don't overdo it.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 11/01/2025 08:11

Passionfruitlove · 11/01/2025 07:59

Maybe a bit of favouritism at play too. The 3 boys from his class for example, how can they be talented in both basketball and football

It's very common for children to be good at more than one sport.

MyPearlCrow · 11/01/2025 08:13

I agree with you OP! My kids are not naturally sporty but both do sports 4x plus a week. Sport has so much benefit for everyone, from the most able to the least.

we have had to fight this battle in both primary and secondary schools - both state. And change has happened as a result. By secondary, I think it’s ok to choose the best players for tournaments etc, and nothing wrong with celebrating those who are naturally good at sport, but for after school clubs, they need to be inclusive. All kids should be encouraged to exercise more and be involved in team sports, and making the less able feel shit does not achieve that. It makes them opt out.

often the sporty kids are not the academic kids or arty or musical kids so they should be celebrated too, but my argument to school was this: my kids are great at English, but you wouldn’t say ‘right, Isla, Jane and Freya, you’re brilliant at English so we’re going to give you more attention, get you a special kit, give you the best teachers, so you get better’ so we shouldn’t do that with general after school activities either which should be open to all.

but I maintain that choosing the kids who are ‘best’ for some (not all) tournaments is ok. And that rules my kids out. They are good at other stuff and will be celebrated there.

to the poster who said ‘you can’t be good at basketball and football’ there are kids/people who are just naturally gifted at sport. One of my daughter’s mates started a sport she has played for years. After a single session she was better. She has great hand eye coordination and knowledge of game play - spacing for example - is the same in most team sport. We helped our daughter to see how great it was for her friend to be so naturally talented. And we point out that she has many talents her friend does not. Vive La difference!

but at primary, I think it should be based on inclusion and opportunity, not who is ‘best’, so everyone gets a turn and a chance to discover a talent or a love for sport.

chocolatespreadsandwich · 11/01/2025 08:16

Yanbu op.

Fine if they do a separate "school team" but really outrageous to switch it without telling parents

BlueSilverCats · 11/01/2025 08:19

Chaseandstatus · 11/01/2025 08:01

Presumably the teacher is doing this unpaid so I can see a logic in wanting to spend their volunteer effort on developing the children who will do best at the sport.

They have been very good in providing free clubs at all imo.

I do think it could have been communicated a lot better though.

Not necessarily, depending on timings , the club could still be part of their contracted hours. Or some school offer some kind of "remuneration ". For example, at DD's old school, any teacher that runs a club for a term gets a day off .

SpinUp2 · 11/01/2025 08:20

I'm surprised at the number of PP's schools that have a PE teacher.
Our primary schools don't have dedicated subject teachers.
Some of the more sporty teachers may run a sports club after school - and they are for all abilities.
I was pissed off when they set up a netball club - to get more girls interested in a sport - but opened it to boys. The boys that pissed about ruined it for the less sporty girls. My daughter gave it up because of the boys.
In the OPs position, I'd be annoyed and complain.

Saturdayssandwichsociety · 11/01/2025 08:20

The worst thing about this is the unfairness in terms of wrap around costs. The parents of those 3 kids allowed access to 3 free after school sport clubs are saving themselves the cost of 3 nights of paid afterschool childcare every week. Round here that would equate to about £30-£40 every week.
Why is it fair that if your kid is naturally sporty you get it free but if your kid isnt, you have to go to the paid afterschool childcare?!

TheYearOfSmallThings · 11/01/2025 08:22

YANBU at all - that is not okay! Ours is first come first served, which isn't perfect but it is fair.

BlueSilverCats · 11/01/2025 08:22

Ideally every child should have the opportunity to access the clubs throughout the year, by rotation if numbers are high. What tends to happen is that often it's first come, first served. However, all children should at least have the opportunity to apply.

LouH1981 · 11/01/2025 08:24

Is it possible your son has misheard or misunderstood how the the clubs have been filled?
It could just be that they have filled up fast and he missed out?
If not, then I agree that isn’t very inclusive at all. The school should be encouraging all abilities to have a try.

mrsmilesmatheson · 11/01/2025 08:26

Are these clubs sports teams who play in matches/tournaments to represent the school?

Or are these clubs a fun activity for children to join in/parents to use as free childcare?

In an ideal world, the school would offer both so as to be inclusive.

However, most free after school clubs are run by teachers or TAs on a 'voluntary' basis. They don't get paid for it and the time isn't included in their directed hours. In most schools, the teachers are compelled to 'volunteer' and it makes their workload even heavier.

Running an after-school club with the set up, club, clearing away, dealing with parents, late pick ups etc etc generally means the teacher loses 1-2 hours of planning/prep/marking time every week which they still have to do, probably that same day. Over time, it really affects workload and staff wellbeing.

Maybe that's the explanation here.

Maybe they could do with some parent volunteers to help take the pressure off the teachers having to provide free childcare after school to please everyone. Or maybe a paid sports provider is the answer. Or you could suggest it's done on a rota basis.

Ophy83 · 11/01/2025 08:27

Ours are first come first served and you can only put your child down for one club initially. If there's another club you want you can register interest and may get a space if any remain after the initial booking period

Seagullproofoldbag · 11/01/2025 08:29

At my son's Primary there was a club for the good players/school team one day and a club for anyone else who wanted to play football on another day. The cross country club was, in theory open to everyone, but there was a " secret " club for the kids who ran for the school cross country team. 🙄

mitogoshigg · 11/01/2025 08:30

If the club was to train for the school team I suspect they needed to check those people taking the limited space available were good enough. Free clubs are unusual, the only free clubs at my dcs school were for taking part in matches

Humphhhh · 11/01/2025 08:32

Seagullproofoldbag · 11/01/2025 08:29

At my son's Primary there was a club for the good players/school team one day and a club for anyone else who wanted to play football on another day. The cross country club was, in theory open to everyone, but there was a " secret " club for the kids who ran for the school cross country team. 🙄

It's not 'secret' it's just squad training. If your child isn't in the squad why would you need to know? Schools send enough irrelevant information out as it is.

If they're offering training for all but split by ability I really can't see what the issue is.

Autumndayz77 · 11/01/2025 08:32

DS school a lot do the clubs we’re over subscribed so they’d place based on if you’d done a club before. You wouldn’t get a space on two clubs whilst some
got none.

NightOwl756 · 11/01/2025 08:32

That's awful. I'd complain. Sport should be for fun at that age. What a way for the school to knock the confidence of the children not selected

Seagullproofoldbag · 11/01/2025 08:41

Humphhhh · 11/01/2025 08:32

It's not 'secret' it's just squad training. If your child isn't in the squad why would you need to know? Schools send enough irrelevant information out as it is.

If they're offering training for all but split by ability I really can't see what the issue is.

The cross country club for everyone ceased to exist after they had a team for the local league.