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How do you cope with the PTA?

94 replies

GraspingforaClue · 08/01/2025 12:15

Good morning —
I know this is a topic of legend, but I’m wondering how — oh, how — it gets so fraught when you try to help out at a child’s school. Feeling quite dejected by it all. Staff can be quite dismissive — downright rude — and seem to find dumping things onto a parent is acceptable. Simple questions you might ask a colleague like, “Can I leave it with you?” Or “how does that sound?” Or “Would that be okay?” are nowhere in the mix. Just a dump and run. By a professional — someone who teaches and does a bit of admin — who seems to think her time is worth more than mine, or really anyone else’s. Nothing very companionable about it, she really comes across as just entitled and bored of us all, like she’s got much more important things to do. Wrinkle is, she’s often just not got a clue. I spent 5 months chasing up a permit and a license and an auditor for our school lottery — going so far as to schedule a Zoom call with a lady who ran it for us as a parent volunteer 10 years ago — only to find that this woman, the professional in question, had received an email with all of the requisite info, methodically spelled out, two months before I even joined the PTA. As I was racking the brains of all involved, I got an abusive personal email from the woman (another mum) who was supposed to have been doing it the whole time. I forwarded this to our professional school contact. No response. I got the impression they were mates. Our contact afterward got very curt with me. Very matey with this other mum. But… I was doing all the work for all of us. Anyway. Turns out the mum who had the gig before I did had sent both of them a long, lovely, detailed email, with instructions, which both of them had just totally blanked. They both received it. I spent five months chasing up details and ticking boxes that really we could have sorted in a couple of days, had either of them merely read the email that was sent to them. It’s… that sort of thing. I took it all up with our head teacher who was equally dismissive and high-handed. Observed, of his own staff member, “this is the first time I’ve ever heard a complaint about M… and my view is that there is no case to answer here.” This was in response to a multi-page report I had drafted with great care of what labours I had performed (230 unpaid hours over the course of one academic year) and her piffling responses, buck passing, making us chase her for information, bad-mouthing other parents who volunteered (not subtly, really mean digs, disparaging comments). I think this is why there are currently no PTA members at this school. None. I did point this out to both of them. That if you want help, from parents, you have to be respectful and not take them for granted, respect their time and their emotional investment. You’re not paying us. Neither ever replied. I’m just putting this out there. We hear a lot about schools struggling with low funding and entitled parents’ antics and kids’ bad behaviour. My son has never been in trouble, he behaves well, he does his work, he participates in all manner of sports. And I have done everything I could. Until I just quit in disgust and anger. I’m wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience? Very sorry for a massive post. But this was the situation — it felt like screaming in the wind. Why is this the way that some schools treat parents?

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TheWonderhorse · 08/01/2025 12:25

Are you talking about a PTA run by the school? Is the headmaster the Chair?

A multi-page report?

OP I don't think on the PTA you get a lot of people volunteering to do things that aren't necessarily in their skillset. I'm one of those! Also some people are crap and a bit mean too. Just withdraw, you don't need to do any more than that. A PTA of one person will fold.

No need to go nuclear.

LittleRedRidingHoody · 08/01/2025 12:28

Just withdraw. No one is forcing you to do those hours or that work. It's frustrating but that's life!

I'm on the PTA and it's a laugh. If it wasn't, none of us would be there.

Gettingslimmer · 08/01/2025 12:30

God this is what gives pta’s a bad name, this petty infighting.

Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 12:31

That was a bit too rambling to understand your point.
Who exactly out of all that was the chair of the PTA?

TheWonderhorse · 08/01/2025 12:31

LittleRedRidingHoody · 08/01/2025 12:28

Just withdraw. No one is forcing you to do those hours or that work. It's frustrating but that's life!

I'm on the PTA and it's a laugh. If it wasn't, none of us would be there.

Me too. There are about four of us and we know no limits. We sometimes scream together about the ridiculous fairs we try and get done with nowhere near enough people because we feel strongly about one thing...shit fairs are for wimps.

JimHalpertsWife · 08/01/2025 12:33

I hope you put paragraphs in your report.

LittleRedRidingHoody · 08/01/2025 12:33

@TheWonderhorse may steal that quote from you and add it to my email replies on the thread 😂 I have definitely been up at 2am spray-painting bowling pins that I considered should be multicoloured!

Hoppinggreen · 08/01/2025 12:35

Thats not the PTA thats one person.
Deal with it or don't, you have a choice OP

Whydoeseveryonewanttoargue · 08/01/2025 12:37

Ummm OP they do have a more important job than you - they are educating your children.

BBQPete · 08/01/2025 12:50

This was in response to a multi-page report I had drafted with great care of what labours I had performed (230 unpaid hours over the course of one academic year)

Wow.
I don't think you've quite grasped what a PTA is and how they work.

I also hope your "report" had bullet points, or at least paragraphs. Your OP is very difficult to plough through.

Nerdlings · 08/01/2025 12:52

Your 'massive post' might be easier to understand with paragraphs and proper punctuation.

BodyKeepingScore · 08/01/2025 12:55

Why on earth are the PTA commissioning any report that requires 230 hours of manpower?

What requirement is there for any school to have parent volunteers doing that?

Surely the function of a PTA is simply to organise fundraising type events for the school?

IncessantNameChanger · 08/01/2025 13:07

People don't appreciate what they get for free.

I was s senior global top three computer programmer being charged out by my company to my client at £1000 a day.

However I have offered schools to do free coding clubs, edit their websites. Maintain their websites. Get then brand new free IT kit from my companies community scheme for free. Not once ever was it taken up. None of it. My IT systems was national critical systems. They wouldn't have been able to pay my worth in going rates but didn't want me for free. Go figure!

Get yourself a dc with SEN. I'm all but banned from the site but in name. Can't even help in the library with full enhanced DBS in case my child with ASD sees me. Presumably my dc would explode in a ball of flames if I helped at school. They are always begging for help, saying they will cancel events. But they don't need the likes of me. I'm sad that I can't join the community and meet other parents but I'm over it

BodyKeepingScore · 08/01/2025 13:10

IncessantNameChanger · 08/01/2025 13:07

People don't appreciate what they get for free.

I was s senior global top three computer programmer being charged out by my company to my client at £1000 a day.

However I have offered schools to do free coding clubs, edit their websites. Maintain their websites. Get then brand new free IT kit from my companies community scheme for free. Not once ever was it taken up. None of it. My IT systems was national critical systems. They wouldn't have been able to pay my worth in going rates but didn't want me for free. Go figure!

Get yourself a dc with SEN. I'm all but banned from the site but in name. Can't even help in the library with full enhanced DBS in case my child with ASD sees me. Presumably my dc would explode in a ball of flames if I helped at school. They are always begging for help, saying they will cancel events. But they don't need the likes of me. I'm sad that I can't join the community and meet other parents but I'm over it

You don't sound like you're over it?

Maybe the school didn't need or want the services you were offering?

Maybe they have people already maintaining their websites etc and have contracts with them.

Heronwatcher · 08/01/2025 13:14

Sorry my initial reaction is that whilst this was undoubtedly annoying it did not warrant a multi page report or a complaint which just created more work for the school.

Sometimes you just have to grit your teeth and get on with it in these situations and remind yourself that it’s all for the good of the school. If you can’t do this best not to volunteer.

SwingTheMonkey · 08/01/2025 13:19

I couldn’t read more than the first few sentences I’m afraid. But surely, the PTA is just a group of parents organising school fairs and the like? Why on earth are you writing multi page reports?!

hopeishere · 08/01/2025 13:20

Just don't do it. Detach with love.

I was in the PTA and it was fine but one mum took it all WAAAAYYY too seriously.

Injectionstoslim · 08/01/2025 13:23

What was the point of this multi page report? Had anyone asked for it? How were you wanting to read it?

Why didn’t to reach out to the previous chair of ptfa for a handover? Where are the rest of the PTFA? Did you ask for other parents to join, I’m sure it can’t be done by one person.

EmotionalSupportBiscuit · 08/01/2025 13:30

Injectionstoslim · 08/01/2025 13:23

What was the point of this multi page report? Had anyone asked for it? How were you wanting to read it?

Why didn’t to reach out to the previous chair of ptfa for a handover? Where are the rest of the PTFA? Did you ask for other parents to join, I’m sure it can’t be done by one person.

I think she wrote a multi page complaint to the Head about another PTA member and how they hadn’t been grateful enough for her 230 hours of effort:

This was in response to a multi-page report I had drafted with great care of what labours I had performed (230 unpaid hours over the course of one academic year) and her piffling responses, buck passing, making us chase her for information, bad-mouthing other parents who volunteered (not subtly, really mean digs, disparaging comments)

IncessantNameChanger · 08/01/2025 13:36

BodyKeepingScore · 08/01/2025 13:10

You don't sound like you're over it?

Maybe the school didn't need or want the services you were offering?

Maybe they have people already maintaining their websites etc and have contracts with them.

It's three seperate schools and one childrens centre. I was encouraged to offer IT services in my community by my company. One website didn't render on a phone or tablet. I offered to do it free but the school paid someone to do it. It makes no difference to me, why would it? I hardly need to add it to my portfolio on LI. I'm just saying if I told them my daily rate was £1000. But I would do it for £100 they would have excepted I suspect but because I was offering my time for free it had no value. If I had said they could a new IT kit worth 2k for £100 they would have accepted it. But if its free people don't want it. I sent all the paperwork with company scheme. Out of 20 grants, only 9 schools took them up. So it wasn't just me. Free was seen as a bad or worthless thing even when brand new and expensive to donate. The money just stayed in company profits in the end.

I'm a bit pissed about generally volunteering still a bit yes. There's lots of help they ask for where my child would never see me like filling popcorn bags after school or gardening at the weekend but everything I signed up was met with the senco taking me aside. Saying my child might see me ( even when she would be at home like evening / weekends)

I have been and still am a school governor for over 5 years at another dc school so I'm safe around those kids with my clean dbs and have something of value to contribute. Different senco 😄

Injectionstoslim · 08/01/2025 13:36

EmotionalSupportBiscuit · 08/01/2025 13:30

I think she wrote a multi page complaint to the Head about another PTA member and how they hadn’t been grateful enough for her 230 hours of effort:

This was in response to a multi-page report I had drafted with great care of what labours I had performed (230 unpaid hours over the course of one academic year) and her piffling responses, buck passing, making us chase her for information, bad-mouthing other parents who volunteered (not subtly, really mean digs, disparaging comments)

Ah thank you.

OP I don’t think the PTFA is for you. Time to mentally move on.

Nanny0gg · 08/01/2025 13:54

IncessantNameChanger · 08/01/2025 13:36

It's three seperate schools and one childrens centre. I was encouraged to offer IT services in my community by my company. One website didn't render on a phone or tablet. I offered to do it free but the school paid someone to do it. It makes no difference to me, why would it? I hardly need to add it to my portfolio on LI. I'm just saying if I told them my daily rate was £1000. But I would do it for £100 they would have excepted I suspect but because I was offering my time for free it had no value. If I had said they could a new IT kit worth 2k for £100 they would have accepted it. But if its free people don't want it. I sent all the paperwork with company scheme. Out of 20 grants, only 9 schools took them up. So it wasn't just me. Free was seen as a bad or worthless thing even when brand new and expensive to donate. The money just stayed in company profits in the end.

I'm a bit pissed about generally volunteering still a bit yes. There's lots of help they ask for where my child would never see me like filling popcorn bags after school or gardening at the weekend but everything I signed up was met with the senco taking me aside. Saying my child might see me ( even when she would be at home like evening / weekends)

I have been and still am a school governor for over 5 years at another dc school so I'm safe around those kids with my clean dbs and have something of value to contribute. Different senco 😄

The problem with the donating of IT kit that if it's donated it won't necessarily have the right software and there isn't the expertise to use and maintain it when the company has moved on

Hoppinggreen · 08/01/2025 15:44

BodyKeepingScore · 08/01/2025 13:10

You don't sound like you're over it?

Maybe the school didn't need or want the services you were offering?

Maybe they have people already maintaining their websites etc and have contracts with them.

Exactly
Some offers made to us when I was PTA Chair were very kind but would have caused us more work and weren't really what we needed.
DH is in IT to that level and beyond and he happily ran a little code club that he was asked to do. It was about what school wanted not him.

Hoppinggreen · 08/01/2025 15:46

Injectionstoslim · 08/01/2025 13:36

Ah thank you.

OP I don’t think the PTFA is for you. Time to mentally move on.

I can't imagine the amount of serving tea at school events or cleaning up afterwards you could ahve done instead of writing such a daft report.
Having said that I would have loved it if someone had done that when I was PTA Chair, myself and my Co Chair would have had a right laugh reading that in the pub after our meetings

SometimesCalmPerson · 08/01/2025 15:54

The person you’re talking about does sound very unprofessional, but I’m not sure why you’d expect teachers to care about the PTA as much as parents do. It’s not for their benefit. They shouldn’t have extra work put on them depending on the current state of the PTA.