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Foodbank buying items from shops?

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girlfriend44 · 04/01/2025 21:57

I always thought that foodbanks were given out of date stock when I saw them collecting from shops and supermarkets.
I have now found out they buy items from certain retailers at a reduced price.
They put orders in. Where does the money come from to purchase?
Also they have vans, which cost money in petrol etc.
Anyone else think the same, never realised they were collecting stuff they had ordered in. I thought it was donated to them?÷

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valentinka31 · 05/01/2025 09:00

RubyOrca · 05/01/2025 02:26

Count yourself lucky that you can’t imagine being unable to afford food. Sadly, many people struggle to afford the absolute basics (food, shelter, healthcare). I’m not in the UK, but none of these are completely free in my country. Then you add things like education (also not free, but mandatory) for kids and it doesn’t take long to see how people struggle.

Charities continue to provide and advocate for those who are struggling. Including providing food.

It’s nice to be able to think that this is just something people deal with for a week or two, but poverty is more pervasive than that. No amount of budgeting and tightening the belt can get you around an income that is below what you need to manage. Food banks make a difference for people week in week out. Including for people with medical food restrictions.

Thank you for this. Yes.

I think we should examine a bit more carefully why people would be referred to a food bank, so how they could ever be in a situation where they cannot afford to buy food each day to feed their child/ren and themselves. We need to start with that before deciding whether their dietary requirements should be respected and whether they should be grateful for out of date food and snaffle it up.

There is incredulity as to how someone could ever be in a situation where they can't walk into a supermarket and join the flow, like everyone else, of picking up what they need and not much thinking about the cost, if at all. Yes, a solid proportion of those referred to the food bank do have substance abuse issues (and let's remember that these very often stem from situations of emotional abuse/disruption, particularly in childhood). But there is also a significant tranche of people who might seem just like the ones you'd see next to you in a 'normal' queue at Sainsbury's. Some of these may be being referred to the food bank by a domestic abuse support organisation. They may have had to get away from a domestic situation which was dangerous/intolerable, and had been going on for years, and had eventually completely decimated their security base, income, and health. Those people might be there for a helping hand to get them through while they do their very best to rebuild their lives and stand on their own two feet again. They may have a child/children who also depend entirely on that parent for survival, the abusive parent's final act of control being to have abnegated all responsibility and to ignore pleas even for a contribution to feed their child.

So it is not all useless drug addicts who can't get a life, or nousy dodgers surfing through life on benefits. (to be clear: I am referring to commonly-used labels here)

Maybe consider this instead: if someone gets referred to a food bank, it is because someone in a support organisation, who talks to/meets many people in difficult situations, has, with their experience, judged that this person is in a desperate situation and does not have enough income to pay for accommodation, services and food. Very most likely this means that the person's income has been severely affected by something. Which means their ability to earn has been affected. Which means something pretty catastrophic has happened in their lives.

Imagine you are walking down the street and it's sunny and you are feeling good and then a lycra cyclist smashes into you and suddenly you are in the gutter and dirt and dazed and hurt and trying to get out of the way of an oncoming bus. In that situation, you might have a moment of sheer panic. But then you feel someone helping you get out of that gutter, and talking kindly to you, and dusting you down, and checking if you are ok or need to go to A and E.

The food bank isn't just about food. It isn't about Harrods Christmas puddings and tinned potatoes and unwanted toys and Harding & Bayliss hand cream sets. It is about kindness. For the person who's been referred, they walk into a room of people gathered there for one purpose only: to show them kindness.

That's the bottom line that I felt I needed to add into the conversation.

So when that person beleaguered by life, for whatever reason, and most probably because they've encountered someone else who's really attacked them at some point in their lives, to bring them down to this, walks into the food bank, then ... do we give them out of date chicken? Or tell them that their lactose intolerance doesn't matter here, because now they are on charity so should be grateful for whatever they get? Or do we roll our eyes and say 'how is it possible they can't afford food?' ? How it's possible is super simple. You get some money. You pay for a home for your kid. And then you don't have any money left. Not even £1. So then what do you do? And don't say 'you go out and get a job' because if you are running so on empty that you can't even buy food, then the panic is extreme and you don't even have the focus for anything else because your mind is only filled with one thing: how to feed your child. And nobody would be employing someone who is on the edge like that and hasn't got the basics covered.

So the food bank steps in. Stabilises the basic situation. Gives some foundation. Then the person is able to take their focus off foraging and start to get back into a normal mindset and work up their own income. Then one day they don't need the food bank anymore. They become like the 'rest' of us, putting things in the food bank box at the end of the shop.

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:00

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 08:52

In her mind it isn't though. She needs help and compassion and therapy but no ones going to give her that so the best we can do is food banks

We all make decisions all of the time.
I'm just a bit fed up of some of us being expected to always make the right decision in our own lives, whilst also subsidising those who consistently make bad decisons and end up in another mess.
I am aware that many foodbank users need support for genuine reasons, and as I said, I used to donate to foodbanks.

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:03

valentinka31 · 05/01/2025 09:00

Thank you for this. Yes.

I think we should examine a bit more carefully why people would be referred to a food bank, so how they could ever be in a situation where they cannot afford to buy food each day to feed their child/ren and themselves. We need to start with that before deciding whether their dietary requirements should be respected and whether they should be grateful for out of date food and snaffle it up.

There is incredulity as to how someone could ever be in a situation where they can't walk into a supermarket and join the flow, like everyone else, of picking up what they need and not much thinking about the cost, if at all. Yes, a solid proportion of those referred to the food bank do have substance abuse issues (and let's remember that these very often stem from situations of emotional abuse/disruption, particularly in childhood). But there is also a significant tranche of people who might seem just like the ones you'd see next to you in a 'normal' queue at Sainsbury's. Some of these may be being referred to the food bank by a domestic abuse support organisation. They may have had to get away from a domestic situation which was dangerous/intolerable, and had been going on for years, and had eventually completely decimated their security base, income, and health. Those people might be there for a helping hand to get them through while they do their very best to rebuild their lives and stand on their own two feet again. They may have a child/children who also depend entirely on that parent for survival, the abusive parent's final act of control being to have abnegated all responsibility and to ignore pleas even for a contribution to feed their child.

So it is not all useless drug addicts who can't get a life, or nousy dodgers surfing through life on benefits. (to be clear: I am referring to commonly-used labels here)

Maybe consider this instead: if someone gets referred to a food bank, it is because someone in a support organisation, who talks to/meets many people in difficult situations, has, with their experience, judged that this person is in a desperate situation and does not have enough income to pay for accommodation, services and food. Very most likely this means that the person's income has been severely affected by something. Which means their ability to earn has been affected. Which means something pretty catastrophic has happened in their lives.

Imagine you are walking down the street and it's sunny and you are feeling good and then a lycra cyclist smashes into you and suddenly you are in the gutter and dirt and dazed and hurt and trying to get out of the way of an oncoming bus. In that situation, you might have a moment of sheer panic. But then you feel someone helping you get out of that gutter, and talking kindly to you, and dusting you down, and checking if you are ok or need to go to A and E.

The food bank isn't just about food. It isn't about Harrods Christmas puddings and tinned potatoes and unwanted toys and Harding & Bayliss hand cream sets. It is about kindness. For the person who's been referred, they walk into a room of people gathered there for one purpose only: to show them kindness.

That's the bottom line that I felt I needed to add into the conversation.

So when that person beleaguered by life, for whatever reason, and most probably because they've encountered someone else who's really attacked them at some point in their lives, to bring them down to this, walks into the food bank, then ... do we give them out of date chicken? Or tell them that their lactose intolerance doesn't matter here, because now they are on charity so should be grateful for whatever they get? Or do we roll our eyes and say 'how is it possible they can't afford food?' ? How it's possible is super simple. You get some money. You pay for a home for your kid. And then you don't have any money left. Not even £1. So then what do you do? And don't say 'you go out and get a job' because if you are running so on empty that you can't even buy food, then the panic is extreme and you don't even have the focus for anything else because your mind is only filled with one thing: how to feed your child. And nobody would be employing someone who is on the edge like that and hasn't got the basics covered.

So the food bank steps in. Stabilises the basic situation. Gives some foundation. Then the person is able to take their focus off foraging and start to get back into a normal mindset and work up their own income. Then one day they don't need the food bank anymore. They become like the 'rest' of us, putting things in the food bank box at the end of the shop.

So it is not all useless drug addicts who can't get a life, or nousy dodgers surfing through life on benefits. (to be clear: I am referring to commonly-used labels here) there was absolutely no need to reinforce those commonly used labels and drug addicts and people on long term benefits as a lifestyle choice are no more or less deserving of help at the foodbank. The food bank has criteria- if they meat the criteria they can get help. We can't and shouldn't start judging who is "worthy" of help.

JessiesJ99 · 05/01/2025 09:04

I work pt in a food bank. We spend over 1k a week buying food from supermarkets. We also have a van for picking up/ dropping off.

MaryBeardsShoes · 05/01/2025 09:04

RegulatorsMountUp · 04/01/2025 22:04

Why can't you buy it yourself? I thought foodbanks were temporary support for basics not a regular option or meeting 'dietary requirements' surely you'd just pick up the basics from them and buy whatever special goods you need yourself? I can't imagine being unable to afford to feed myself and then asking for specific foods for free from charity. Maybe I just don't understand how this new world works.

Are you naturally so stupid and callous or did you have to attend a course?

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:05

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:00

We all make decisions all of the time.
I'm just a bit fed up of some of us being expected to always make the right decision in our own lives, whilst also subsidising those who consistently make bad decisons and end up in another mess.
I am aware that many foodbank users need support for genuine reasons, and as I said, I used to donate to foodbanks.

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If you don't like the foodbank's criteria and think some of their users aren't worthy of help then that's up to you.

JessiesJ99 · 05/01/2025 09:06

Also, we get donations that went out of date 2 - 3 yrs ago on occasion!!! Any out of date food that isn't too old - is left on a table so people can have a look and decide for themselves if they want it. We would never give it out. We also can't give out food with no date on it & no English on packaging.

Blogswife · 05/01/2025 09:07

People donate in cash so they buy what doesn’t get donated
They don’t use out of date food either !

Hattie1970abc · 05/01/2025 09:09

Anyone who uses a food bank or is thinking of going please do not be put off by any of these minority negative comments. What we feel at our food bank when someone comes in ‘Thank God’ because at least they are looking after themselves and their families needs. The food bank may be the first rung on the ladder for helping them get back on their feet. No judgement is made to anyone who walks through our doors.

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:09

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:05

If you don't like the foodbank's criteria and think some of their users aren't worthy of help then that's up to you.

Of course it's up to me how I feel about something - why on earth did you feel the need to write that?

It's not about being not worthy, it's also about people taking some sort of personal responsibility and accepting that some choices have consequences.

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:11

Olderkids · 04/01/2025 23:06

Get a job?

Lots of people can't get a job that easily or at all.

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:11

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:09

Of course it's up to me how I feel about something - why on earth did you feel the need to write that?

It's not about being not worthy, it's also about people taking some sort of personal responsibility and accepting that some choices have consequences.

So drug users should just go hungry and starve?

SheFearedTheWorst · 05/01/2025 09:11

RegulatorsMountUp · 04/01/2025 22:04

Why can't you buy it yourself? I thought foodbanks were temporary support for basics not a regular option or meeting 'dietary requirements' surely you'd just pick up the basics from them and buy whatever special goods you need yourself? I can't imagine being unable to afford to feed myself and then asking for specific foods for free from charity. Maybe I just don't understand how this new world works.

The new world? There have always been charities feeding those who can't afford to buy food. There has always been poverty and inequality. It's absolutely scandalous that in 2025 we still have so much need for food banks, and it's criminal that under the Tories the need for food banks soared so greatly while wealth accumulates at the top. But it's nothing new - have you really only just learned that some people prefer not to watch others starve and choose to help them instead?

It's not Twelfth Night yet, maybe you should pick up a copy of A Christmas Carol? I think it will blow your mind.

Rosscameasdoody · 05/01/2025 09:13

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:03

So it is not all useless drug addicts who can't get a life, or nousy dodgers surfing through life on benefits. (to be clear: I am referring to commonly-used labels here) there was absolutely no need to reinforce those commonly used labels and drug addicts and people on long term benefits as a lifestyle choice are no more or less deserving of help at the foodbank. The food bank has criteria- if they meat the criteria they can get help. We can't and shouldn't start judging who is "worthy" of help.

This poster was explaining in depth as to how food banks support different situations and wasn’t judging. At all. They were deliberately quoting the awful terms frequently used on MN, to make an important point. Is this pathetic criticism really all you took away from one of the most carefully considered posts here ? Lots of actual judgement on the thread for you to call out if you’re that desperate.

valentinka31 · 05/01/2025 09:13

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:03

So it is not all useless drug addicts who can't get a life, or nousy dodgers surfing through life on benefits. (to be clear: I am referring to commonly-used labels here) there was absolutely no need to reinforce those commonly used labels and drug addicts and people on long term benefits as a lifestyle choice are no more or less deserving of help at the foodbank. The food bank has criteria- if they meat the criteria they can get help. We can't and shouldn't start judging who is "worthy" of help.

That's why I put that note in brackets. I don't condone those labels - I was quoting others who say things like that.

JessiesJ99 · 05/01/2025 09:14

Areolaborealis · 04/01/2025 22:47

Following with interest. I thought I'd misheard the Sainsbury's delivery driver when he said he'd just done a delivery to the local foodbank.

We get 3 or 4 deliveries every week from the supermarkets at the food bank I'm at.

valentinka31 · 05/01/2025 09:14

Rosscameasdoody · 05/01/2025 09:13

This poster was explaining in depth as to how food banks support different situations and wasn’t judging. At all. They were deliberately quoting the awful terms frequently used on MN, to make an important point. Is this pathetic criticism really all you took away from one of the most carefully considered posts here ? Lots of actual judgement on the thread for you to call out if you’re that desperate.

Edited

thank you for understanding what I wrote 😊

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:17

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:11

So drug users should just go hungry and starve?

I used to feed drug addicts a hot meal 3 times a week, so no.
People in these situations need more than a foodbank though, they need support with their addiction.
I actually felt like we weren't really improving anything for them in the long term. Several disappeared and least one died of an OD. It felt like pouring boiling water down the drain while constantly trying to boil the kettle. Maybe that experience shaped how I feel about aimlessly feeding without addressing the bigger picture.

valentinka31 · 05/01/2025 09:17

Hattie1970abc · 05/01/2025 09:09

Anyone who uses a food bank or is thinking of going please do not be put off by any of these minority negative comments. What we feel at our food bank when someone comes in ‘Thank God’ because at least they are looking after themselves and their families needs. The food bank may be the first rung on the ladder for helping them get back on their feet. No judgement is made to anyone who walks through our doors.

Yes, that is exactly how it should be. If they are at a food bank then it means there is a support organisation who has referred them, so they are no longer on their own, and have a chance of being helped back into full independence.

Rosscameasdoody · 05/01/2025 09:18

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:09

Of course it's up to me how I feel about something - why on earth did you feel the need to write that?

It's not about being not worthy, it's also about people taking some sort of personal responsibility and accepting that some choices have consequences.

So you’re lumping together the different circumstances of all those who use foodbanks and labelling it all as a consequence of lack of responsibility and bad choices ?

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:20

Rosscameasdoody · 05/01/2025 09:18

So you’re lumping together the different circumstances of all those who use foodbanks and labelling it all as a consequence of lack of responsibility and bad choices ?

No, but if you actually read my previous reply you'd already know that.

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:21

valentinka31 · 05/01/2025 09:13

That's why I put that note in brackets. I don't condone those labels - I was quoting others who say things like that.

Fair enough I just personally think repeating those terms isn't helpful. They're either people eligible for help or they aren't.

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:23

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:17

I used to feed drug addicts a hot meal 3 times a week, so no.
People in these situations need more than a foodbank though, they need support with their addiction.
I actually felt like we weren't really improving anything for them in the long term. Several disappeared and least one died of an OD. It felt like pouring boiling water down the drain while constantly trying to boil the kettle. Maybe that experience shaped how I feel about aimlessly feeding without addressing the bigger picture.

Edited

That's understandable. I suppose most of us are a bit helpless to do anything about the bigger picture.

Onlyvisiting · 05/01/2025 09:25

girlfriend44 · 04/01/2025 22:13

Fair enough, but who pays the van and the running costs?

They are a charity.
You could ask the same question on how they pay rent for the food bank premises?
They are supported by donations. I don't at cash rather than food as feel they will get what they need and far better value.
It's always struck me as odd that a) shops encourage food bank donations but at full price sale- well why wouldn't they but.....
And that people prefer to give food. It feels a bit like virtuous giving and must be such an inefficient use of funds, the same amount as someone might spend on their FB donation in waitrose could be far better spent buying elsewhere, buying bulk and buying the most needed products

But like to give food as it feels like a 'thing' where ad they worry that money will he abused I guess.
Honestly- I'd prefer to see an optional food bank donation on every card payment in food shops, like PayPal does, click here to donate £1 to xyz charity.
And I often do it because 'hey, it's just £1' and it's money to a charity I probably wouldn't have made the effort to support without a nudge.

Rosscameasdoody · 05/01/2025 09:25

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:17

I used to feed drug addicts a hot meal 3 times a week, so no.
People in these situations need more than a foodbank though, they need support with their addiction.
I actually felt like we weren't really improving anything for them in the long term. Several disappeared and least one died of an OD. It felt like pouring boiling water down the drain while constantly trying to boil the kettle. Maybe that experience shaped how I feel about aimlessly feeding without addressing the bigger picture.

Edited

Feeding people a hot meal isn’t really the same as the role of a food bank though is it ? In many cases when someone arrives at a food bank for the first time, it means that that person has been identified as needing various levels of help - of which the food bank is maybe just one avenue - and has been referred on. Help to feed your family can be the first step on the ladder - as one excellent post upthread pointed out.