To think a 3:20 finish is absurd?

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It’s mostly mums at the school gates. Because the 3:20 finish worked well at a time when most women stayed at home.

now most women work, which means two parents working, why does school finish ar 3:20?! Yes I know there are after school classes etc but some don’t go on for too long and they also cost.

what actually is the reason why the school day isn’t aligned with a work day (like it is with most private schools!)

Well obviously they could-as long as people in the UK were willing to pay a lot more for goods and services and/or make do with a whole lot less. The overwhelming evidence to date is they aren't.

Two issues that I think should be addressed.

"It's not fair for teachers to work 2 hours more each day". Fairness has nothing to do with it, contracts do. Teachers are not contracted to provide these extra services. 2hrs x 5 is equivalent to more than an additional working day a week. It is absurd to even approach this from a POV of 'fairness' and I doubt it's a term they'd be used if discussing a male dominated industry. Of course teachers aren't going to work more than an extra day a week out of the goodness of their hearts.

Recruiting for wrap around care. As a pp has just pointed out, a couple of hours at either end of the school day is not attractive employment, especially for minimum wage. We have had no end of issues recruiting for breakfast and after school club. It will be very interesting to see what happens with Labour's free breakfast clubs, which are in the mosh recent Schools Bill.

You've lived with a teacher for 3 years! You must be quite the expert now. Well done.

However, I am a little confused as I live with a nurse but I still don't know how to take a blood sample, insert a catheter or provide any health care services...What am I doing wrong?!

Also someone I know locally lives with a pilot but still don't know much about flying planes and I had a friend who lived with a firefighter but they didn't know how to rescue people from burning buildings or even cats from trees. My sister lives with a roofer and she doesn't yet know how to tile a roof and my brother lives with a brain surgeon but isn't yet clear about which scalpels to use.

Maybe they hadn't lived with them for 3 whole years though... so not quite enough time to become an expert? Is 3 years the optimal time to learn a profession from someone you share accommodation with?

As there is a teacher shortage, you could always apply and pop your extensive 3 year training on your CV?

I was kind of using price flippantly to cover the wage issue but yes it is an incredibly difficult thing to recruit because the hours as well just don’t fit into the school day either

maybe we should look at the traditional 9-5 office set up designed one suspects for a man to get home for family dinner - for a lot of office based data based jobs is this model still necessary. Working from home flexible jobs as well could be the way forward

I've seen a few of these wfh threads, and the bonus is certainly flexibility. My neighbours wfh and don't pay for childcare and do the school pick ups etc

Who would pay the extra for support staff. Man the reception for the extra hours. TAs are stopped being paid at 3:15 and go home. Already Financially stretched schools aren't going to get want to pay extra wages

Why is the standard working day 9 until 5? Why shouldn't we all finish at 3pm?

@Porcuporpoise

The Scandi countries have core "present" hours and finish earlier to allow for family time in the late afternoon.

In Germany, lots of jobs done by women are done part time 9-1pm - (Germany is not exactly a pillar of gender equality as lots of men work full time and lots of women work part time, but it is at least better to be able to manage some family time and keep a career ticking during the most intensive years and there is no reason why the man couldn't be the second earner).

People do pay more tax there, but they do have a much better quality of life. It is being done elsewhere

Lots of women (and some men) work part time here too @lemonstolemonade, it's hardly unheard of. But if you want employers to pay the same for a 9-3pm workday as they do for a 9-5pm then prices are going up and, if the public won't accommodate that, firms are going out of business.

Personally I'd happily move to a Scandinavian system of tax and spend but there's no appetite for that in the UK where people have little faith in government to spend their money sensibly.

One of the best posts on here. 😆

That's true, but it's been said about 20 times on the thread already.

Tbh, I couldn't be arsed reading 20 pages of comments 🤣 but fair enough

Quite. it cannot possibly come as a shock.

we have had to complain as a collective to get our heating to stay on past lunch as it was bloody freezing in the afternoon. 11 degrees one day. It was warner outside.

But that isn’t the fault of schools.

infant school - debatable here I think our system neither falls under childcare or education and it is hard to know what this age.

Assuming by infant school you mean Key Stage 1, well they learn to read. If learning to read isn’t education then I’m not sure what is.

Quite. And of course they learn an awful lote more on top.

A far, far too high a number are also teaching ks1 how to use a toilet. Far more in nappies starting school. Mine had to be dry to attend preschool.

Where have you got this information from? Any evidence?

Now thinking about this I’m rather confused. We are bring told on this thread that in ‘other countries’ children are at school from 8am to 6pm yet we are often also told that children don’t start school in ‘other countries’ until they 8 and here we start too young. Which is it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3dykw576yo

Children don’t start school in key stage 1. Stop over dramatising .

People are using "school" as a coverall for nursery/kindergarten and formal "school"

Also doesn’t say they are in nappies , just not completely toilet trained. I hate the over dramatising of the issue. Instead of looking at reasons and supporting.

Because it’s a school day, not a work day.

YANBU because if children get tired of learning for so long then why do they give them so much homework on top?? Mine really struggle to fit it all in around extracurricular activities tbh