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I think I just worked out my last employer underpaid me for an entire year- what can I do ?

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giddyg · 21/12/2024 09:05

I thought it was a tax issue, but when I put my gross salary in the HMRC online tax calculator and compared it to what I was actually paid- I was underpaid by a substantial amount in the ' gross ' section of my pay on my pay slips as reported to HMRC by the company.

What can I do about this ?

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giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:18

On the HMRC account, it tells me it can't show me my tax code for 2 of the technically 3 employers I had that year.

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ForOpenLeader · 21/12/2024 10:19

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giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:20

@ForOpenLeader what is your fucking problem ? Back off.

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giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:21

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But what do you expect me to say ? Why are you taunting me. ' you're not going to check your payslips are you' just go away.

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TheWordWomanIsTaken · 21/12/2024 10:22

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:05

@TheWordWomanIsTaken maybe. You mean once your personal allowance was taken off ?

No, I mean once your pension contribution has been taken off the gross amount?

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LittleBearPad · 21/12/2024 10:22

burnoutbabe · 21/12/2024 10:14

It's vital everyone gets their payslips each month and checks things are correct asap. Also sends them to their home email if only available via an employee portal.

I also (when in payroll) reminded people to check tax codes regularly to ensure they understood them.

I am surprised that no tax return at £100k now -how do they collect the personal allowance withdrawal between £100 and £125k if no tax return (which catches out a lot of people at my place each year)

Through PAYE like they did previously.

burnoutbabe · 21/12/2024 10:23

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:18

On the HMRC account, it tells me it can't show me my tax code for 2 of the technically 3 employers I had that year.

It doesn't matter what the tax code used during the year were as long as the last one is correct (and you do a tax return to claim back any difference if not done via paye.

I don't need to do a tax return now but do anyway as I need to check interest under £1000 and other income also under. And how would I know if I have under or overpaid unless I do the sums! (But I am an accountant!)

Jennyathemall · 21/12/2024 10:23

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:01

But even if I was paying my pension via salary sacrifice, surely the gross pay amount would still be my actual gross salary ?

No it won’t, if you are doing any kind of salary sacrifice the gross amount on your payslip will be after the sacrifice deduction, as this is the value used for the tax and NI deduction, which will now be less than it ordinarily would be, as this is the point of salary sacrifice.

LittleBearPad · 21/12/2024 10:24

You need your payslips and until you have them it’s impossible to say what has happened.

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:24

@Jennyathemall it is most likely that then! I'll be sure to get hold of my payslips and also give my accountant a call on Monday to help me.

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burnoutbabe · 21/12/2024 10:25

@LittleBearPad can paye deal with the personal allowance withdrawal? It never used to be able to do so. Fine when over£125k salary as no personal allowance but didn't work in the band, particularly if you got say a March bonus pushing you into the band.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 21/12/2024 10:25

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:16

End of March 2024, which is why I don't have a P60. I wasn't working in April 2024.

Likely you will have to rely in the employer's good will if they've paud you wrongly. Can't submit an ACAS claim more than 3 months minus one day after the event (check with ACAS).
You should have had a P45.

JustMyView13 · 21/12/2024 10:26

burnoutbabe · 21/12/2024 10:25

@LittleBearPad can paye deal with the personal allowance withdrawal? It never used to be able to do so. Fine when over£125k salary as no personal allowance but didn't work in the band, particularly if you got say a March bonus pushing you into the band.

Yes, if you estimate your income in gov gateway then it’ll update your tax code & your tax will be (should be) about right. Assuming all things remain equal.

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:26

@ByQuaintAzureWasp I do have a P45! Well, they have me two, as I explained they changed the entity that was paying me for the last three months of employment

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NeighbourHitMyCar · 21/12/2024 10:31

OP just to reassure you, the poster who's as hassling you was a troll who was reported on a number of other threads too so please don't let them get to you

Hope you get this resolved but it does sound like a salary sacrifice issue

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:31

I found my payslips from June until December 2023. The app doesn't contain the payslips from January until March 2024, that's when I was paid by the different company.

So the gross pay is as HMRC calculator says it should be. So I must have been contributing to my pension!

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Jennyathemall · 21/12/2024 10:31

All of the details aside, this isn’t on you to figure out and respond to HMRC - this is why you pay an accountant to act on your behalf in this manner. He should handle the entire affair. The only question is whether you continue with the current accountant or get another. And if indeed he determines that you have got questions for your employer - that for eg you might have been underpayed - he’ll let you know and advise on the right question to ask your employer.

Startinganew32 · 21/12/2024 10:32

Lilly11a · 21/12/2024 09:13

It's quite likely this is related to your pension contributions.

For ease I had a 50k salary and paid 10% via salary sacrifice - my gross would only show as 45k on HMRC and payslips

Really? Mine always shows my actual gross pay then the deductions at source (pension) and the net pay. And mine is salary sacrifice too. Why would the pension deductions not be referenced on the payslip?

OP if the gross amount is less than what your salary was meant to be (eg your pay was 48k per annum but the gross is less than 4k per month) then they have underpaid you and owe you the difference and you can sue them for breach of contract.

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:33

Earnings £9,180.00
Take-home: £5,240.68
HMRC £3,755.87
Pensions £183.45

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Startinganew32 · 21/12/2024 10:33

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:31

I found my payslips from June until December 2023. The app doesn't contain the payslips from January until March 2024, that's when I was paid by the different company.

So the gross pay is as HMRC calculator says it should be. So I must have been contributing to my pension!

Ah sorry, ignore my post! Glad you got it sorted out.

TempuraCustard · 21/12/2024 10:35

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:33

Earnings £9,180.00
Take-home: £5,240.68
HMRC £3,755.87
Pensions £183.45

Glad you sorted it

burnoutbabe · 21/12/2024 10:35

giddyg · 21/12/2024 10:33

Earnings £9,180.00
Take-home: £5,240.68
HMRC £3,755.87
Pensions £183.45

Doesn't it show a gross pay or taxable gross pay line too? It must do. I assume you just overlooked it?

Jennyathemall · 21/12/2024 10:37

Startinganew32 · 21/12/2024 10:32

Really? Mine always shows my actual gross pay then the deductions at source (pension) and the net pay. And mine is salary sacrifice too. Why would the pension deductions not be referenced on the payslip?

OP if the gross amount is less than what your salary was meant to be (eg your pay was 48k per annum but the gross is less than 4k per month) then they have underpaid you and owe you the difference and you can sue them for breach of contract.

Pay slips can be slightly different but I would be surprised if this is true. That sounds like a standard pension setup. What number is your tax calculated on? The “actual” gross or the number after pension deductions?

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