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To think going to Lapland is more likely to make kids stop believing?

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growlum · 20/12/2024 00:49

Sister is in Lapland with niece and nephew.
They are 6 and 7.
I think there is a strong possibility they will come home no longer believing in Father Christmas, because the magic will have gone.
As a child, if somebody told me I was going to Lapland to see father Christmas, I would most definitely have been looking forward to seeing flying reindeer, tiny little elves and an incredible magic workshop like in all the Christmas movies.

There is no way my expectations would be met, and once I had visited lapland to find a distinct lack of observable magic, and rather a lot of gift shops, I think that would be the end of it for me.

AIBU to feel worried and a bit sad that this may be the end of my niece and nephew’s belief in Santa?

OP posts:
HocusFord · 20/12/2024 07:56

I’ve never been so honestly I don’t know but I do think that a lot of the commercialism that had sprung up around ‘the Santa experience’ these days is more likely to impede belief than enhance it.

Santa in my childhood was always magical as an act of wonder and imagination, not because I had been taken to a realistic looking Santa village and met an actor in a suit.

desperatedaysareover · 20/12/2024 07:57

Theredjellybean · 20/12/2024 06:40

We took DD aged 9 on cusp of not believing... definitely got a few more yrs out of it.
She is now 27 and says seeing Santa holding the letter she had written and posted in our village postbox ( they gave us two envelopes..and by sleight of hand you post childs letter back to travel company and fake one to Lapland) was so kind blowing to her younger self ...she believed

I started reading this thread feeling a bit sceptical over whether there is any actual point to ‘extending’ a child’s belief, but when I read about the effect of the letter swap (clever) I had a very powerful flashback to when I believed. I admire the commitment to the bit😂 I didn’t feel
sad when I sussed Santa was hooey - but I feel a bit sad now lol. We need a support group lol

Parsley1234 · 20/12/2024 07:59

It’s amazing totally wonderful magical my sons father and son still say best trip ever and we only went for the day

UndeniablyGenX · 20/12/2024 08:00

I tend to think the more tangible you make something that is supposed to be magical, the more likely people are to spot flaws in it and start questioning it.

The trouble with holidays is that things can go wrong!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg3llqq41wo

Wayne O'Neil and his son Finn sitting on a snowmobile with Lisa O'Neil standing next to them. They are all wearing snow suits and woolly hats, but there is no snow on the ground around them. There is a lake in the background.

'No snow' Lapland holiday refund row for Cumbrian family

Tui should have rescheduled the trip based on weather forecasts, the O'Neil family says.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg3llqq41wo

NorthernGirl1981 · 20/12/2024 08:05

Parsley1234 · 20/12/2024 07:59

It’s amazing totally wonderful magical my sons father and son still say best trip ever and we only went for the day

Sometimes I find it quite depressing that at the age of 40 I’ve already had the most amazing experience I will ever have 🤣 Nothing will ever top-it and I feel like it’s all downhill from here 🤣

smoosmedd · 20/12/2024 08:06

OrwellianTimes · 20/12/2024 01:36

You’re overthinking this whole belief in something that’s totally made up.

Kids learn the truth, and if it’s never been over-egged to them they’ll adapt fine.

I always assumed a trip to Lapland would be magical for the whole snow everywhere experience.

Couldn't agree more re the over-egging

ANEC · 20/12/2024 08:07

Itsallthelittlethings · 20/12/2024 00:58

Lapland is so magical though! We went last year with my ten year old who was just on the cusp of non believing. We 100% got another year of believing out of the trip. I can't explain it but it is amazing over there.

We did the same when our daughter had heard a rumour Father Christmas wasn’t real. Gave us another few years and encouraged her friends to still believe.

10storeylovesong · 20/12/2024 08:09

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Gem359 · 20/12/2024 08:11

Beenaboutabit · 20/12/2024 01:34

Taking mine to Morocco to show them that Christmas is only something that some people do in some countries.

Couldn't you just tell them that? Why would you need to show them? Morocco is fantastic but you sound pretty miserable tbh. Do they want to be shown that Christmas is only something that some people do in some countries?

Lots of foreigners and some local Christians live in Morocco anyway so in the big cities especially in malls and the newer areas there are likely to be signs of Christmas.

Gogogo12345 · 20/12/2024 08:14

Petrasings · 20/12/2024 07:42

What a miserable thing to do! Lapland is utterly mesmerising in a way Morocco will never be! Morocco isn’t a great place for children. It is chaotic and dirty.
Why on earth would you need to take them all the way there to teach them there are other religions?! I assume you have explained that already as a parent, and also the school often cover different religious festivals 🤷‍♀️

Edited

Are you assuming the poster you are replying to is even Christian?

ChampagneLassie · 20/12/2024 08:15

I’ve always felt a bit meh about Christmas but reading this makes me want to book a trip! My eldest only 2.5 so will wait a few years

DataPup · 20/12/2024 08:18

It would definitely cause some questioning around here, as Santa lives in Greenland according to Danish traditions.

Wrappingpapere · 20/12/2024 08:21

Hmm I wonder if you’re a bit jealous?

I’ve heard the opposite is true about going to Lapland over Christmas!

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 20/12/2024 08:22

We took my 3 when they were 9, 7 and 5

they loved it and didn’t come back not believing

it was only a day trip but it was really good

CaptainCabinetsTrappedInCabinets · 20/12/2024 08:23

growlum · 20/12/2024 00:49

Sister is in Lapland with niece and nephew.
They are 6 and 7.
I think there is a strong possibility they will come home no longer believing in Father Christmas, because the magic will have gone.
As a child, if somebody told me I was going to Lapland to see father Christmas, I would most definitely have been looking forward to seeing flying reindeer, tiny little elves and an incredible magic workshop like in all the Christmas movies.

There is no way my expectations would be met, and once I had visited lapland to find a distinct lack of observable magic, and rather a lot of gift shops, I think that would be the end of it for me.

AIBU to feel worried and a bit sad that this may be the end of my niece and nephew’s belief in Santa?

Have you been? I went as a small child and my memories are magical. Its honestly fantastic.

SlightDrip · 20/12/2024 08:24

LBFseBrom · 20/12/2024 07:25

Why are you worried about it? They are at the age when most kids have worked out the truth of the Santa myth. It doesn't stop them enjoying Christmas.

So many Mumsnet posts reinforce my belief that Father Christmas, sleighs and elves stories mean more to the adults than the kids.

Absolutely this. We never pushed the ‘FC is literally real’ thing, and a lot of kids at DS’s first primary were either from cultures that didn’t celebrate Christmas at all, or from cultures that celebrated Christmas but with a different story about who brings presents, but DS (now 12) adores everything about Christmas, and is wildly enthusiastic about decorating the tree, presents, carols, lights, films, leaving out mince pies etc etc. He’s a total Christmasophile.

All that guff about ‘magic’ meaning ‘belief in FC’ and parents going to endless lengths to preserve the illusion is adults projecting like mad.

zeibesaffron · 20/12/2024 08:25

My 20 year old still talks about how amazing lapland was - I think he was 9 when we went! It was truly magical - all the elves, trips, snowball fights, the northern lights, the hotel pantomime, hot chocolate - one of the best times I have ever had too! It really is magical!

Neodymium · 20/12/2024 08:26

It is a magical place. I wanted to buy a reindeer skin and post it home but needed to know the weight for the post parcel size - I asked in Santa’s shop and they didn’t know the weight but they offered for me to take it over to the post office to check. I said I would pay or leave a deposit or something and they said no it’s fine. This is Santa’s house. No one steals from Santa’s house 😂

RedToothBrush · 20/12/2024 08:26

ueberlin2030 · 20/12/2024 01:24

Do people actually go to Lapland to further the whole santa thing? I always thought it was just a nice holiday.

For me it was a little bit of both.

For DS? Well he was four and cute.

I loved my Santa experience and DS still believes. Lapland is the real Santa but he understands that Santa can't visit all children so has helpers and you only get to meet the real Santa once if you are very lucky.

I love Santa. I still believe in Santa.

Red (age 46 and a half).

ueberlin2030 · 20/12/2024 08:29

RedToothBrush · 20/12/2024 08:26

For me it was a little bit of both.

For DS? Well he was four and cute.

I loved my Santa experience and DS still believes. Lapland is the real Santa but he understands that Santa can't visit all children so has helpers and you only get to meet the real Santa once if you are very lucky.

I love Santa. I still believe in Santa.

Red (age 46 and a half).

There isn't a 'real' Santa imho. Glad you all enjoyed it though.

liquoricetorpedoes · 20/12/2024 08:32

I’m with all the others, absolutely magical experience- went when mine were 6 and at 22 they still talk about it. I’ll never forget the gurgles of delight as we were being pulled along in sleds by reindeer in the snow going to visit Santa in a log cabin.

RedToothBrush · 20/12/2024 08:39

ueberlin2030 · 20/12/2024 08:29

There isn't a 'real' Santa imho. Glad you all enjoyed it though.

Of course there is!

Philistine

JeremiahBullfrog · 20/12/2024 08:42

I think seeing an amazing part of the real world is going to do much more good for your children than believing in some stupid fairy tale.

ueberlin2030 · 20/12/2024 08:50

RedToothBrush · 20/12/2024 08:39

Of course there is!

Philistine

I don't think there is, but who am I to tell you what to think. As I said, glad you had a good trip.

Buttonsmum67 · 20/12/2024 08:54

I went to Lapland in my 20s and started believing in Santa again haha. It is absolutely magical what they put on over there for a kids Christmas themed holiday!