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So what exactly is the point of it all then?

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Thinkingthesethoughts · 18/12/2024 15:41

Life? What are we here for?

I’m not depressed, just having a midweek musing while ill at home on the sofa.
If it’s just to reproduce and pass our genes on, how does that explain infertility?
Unless we have occupations that make a huge difference in people’s lives, or change the course of history somehow, how are we making any difference?

Why do you feel we’re here?

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BunnyLake · 18/12/2024 18:07

The way I see it there is no actual meaning or purpose on a higher level. We are here because biology deemed we be here and that’s it.

BunnyLake · 18/12/2024 18:10

AgileGreenSeal · 18/12/2024 17:07

To glorify God and enjoy Him forever.

That just doesn’t sound appealing to me. I don’t want to glorify anything.

ohyesido · 18/12/2024 18:11

This

So what exactly is the point of it all then?
BunnyLake · 18/12/2024 18:11

Wellingtonspie · 18/12/2024 18:05

I mean that’s it’s isn’t it. We are here to reproduce and live and then die. We teach the offspring new things and we evolve.

Infertility as harsh as it sounds is nature weeding out those who should not reproduce, this can also be evidenced partly in the huge increase in sen since things like IVF and being able to keep 24weekers alive.

Yes I get the argument but broken bones, but antibiotics, but they just keep someone alive they don’t create people that nature never wanted to exist.

Though also sometimes infertility isn’t actually infertility, it’s two incompatible people. Get a new partner and sometimes the infertile are sometimes actually very fertile. Nature doesn’t care for love or feelings.

I knew someone once who couldn’t conceive because she was incompatible with her husband’s sperm. I didn’t know that was a thing before.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 18/12/2024 18:14

Objectively? we're here because of evolution. There's no more meaning to our existence than there is to bacteria.

There's the meaning of life (none, well, the purpose if there is one is just to live long enough to reproduce)

And there's the meaning of your life. Or mine. Or anyone's. And that's whatever each person thinks the meaning of their life is. If anything.

Me? I don't think there is a meaning. two people had sex and I was born. then I was just stuck with it and went through all the stages of life and now I'm in my 50s and it still doesn't mean anything. It just is. I just am. There's really no point or purpose to it and the world wouldn't be any different with or without me in it.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 18/12/2024 18:15

BunnyLake · 18/12/2024 18:10

That just doesn’t sound appealing to me. I don’t want to glorify anything.

god must be insecure as fuck if he created a planet full of people to bow down before him.
If I was able to create universes I think I'd have enough confidence in myself to not need worshipers.

Wellingtonspie · 18/12/2024 18:15

BunnyLake · 18/12/2024 18:11

I knew someone once who couldn’t conceive because she was incompatible with her husband’s sperm. I didn’t know that was a thing before.

Yes often in cases of infertility or not being able to carry further than 12 weeks, where it’s unexplained it’s just that his sperm and your eggs are a huge no no.

Different sperm or a different egg and boom no problem.

Howmanymoredays · 18/12/2024 18:22

CanadianJohn · 18/12/2024 16:26

I'm not depressed, or suicidal, but I'm 78, a widower, and looking at a few years of declining health, and ever-increasing expense to keep living... for what. If I had the choice, I'd sooner give my money to the children/grandchildren, than spend it on care-home fees.

Maybe I should contact Dignitas.

I'm a lot younger, but feel much the same.
Does 'life' count as a terminal illness?!

I was commenting on a thread the other day, and it transpired that others manage to find some enjoyment in the process of 'just living" but I never have done, and really can't think of anything that makes the daily grind worthwhile.
It really is a pointless slog, and for no discernible reason. Just waiting around, until such time as we can shuffle off this mortal coil.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 18/12/2024 18:29

Thinkingthesethoughts · 18/12/2024 16:11

@biscuitsandbooks But we are so different to other species

Are we really?

We just got lucky evolutionally. Right place, right time, right food sources, right opposable thumbs. There could have been a million other species that could have been the dominant species on the planet, if an asteroid or two had missed us. Could have been crabs, could still be octopi if we all manage to nuke ourselves into oblivion.

There's no "point" to life, because life wasn't designed. It just happened. The closest thing to a point is reproduction, but thats not because of any design, it's just because without reproduction, you don't get more life.

For myself, the point is to enjoy myself. So I work, because money lets me do more fun things, and I had a kid, because being a parent brings me joy (well actually because I like sex and contraception can be shit, but luckily parenthood does bring me joy), and I don't screw people over, because evolution has made us a social species, and that brings guilt if you screw people over, and guilt does not bring me joy.

AgileGreenSeal · 18/12/2024 18:36

BunnyLake · 18/12/2024 18:10

That just doesn’t sound appealing to me. I don’t want to glorify anything.

I used to feel that way too.

Lentilweaver · 18/12/2024 18:37

To love and be loved.
This isn't as easy as it sounds.
Loving people and being lovable yourself is hard.

RobertaFirmino · 18/12/2024 18:42

If we are here to reproduce them why are some people gay or lesbian? Sexually attracted to people they cannot reproduce with?

Wellingtonspie · 18/12/2024 18:45

RobertaFirmino · 18/12/2024 18:42

If we are here to reproduce them why are some people gay or lesbian? Sexually attracted to people they cannot reproduce with?

Well the point is they would die out now wouldn’t they. Since they couldn’t reproduce. Tho fertility treatment fixes that for lesbians and surrogates fixes that for gays.

Though previously gay men and lesbians would just fake being straight get married have children and then have their person in secret.

BurntBroccoli · 18/12/2024 18:50

We're born and then we die like the many species that came before us.

No special meaning in particular.

housemaus · 18/12/2024 18:50

I don't think we're here 'for' anything: evolution happened, and here we are. I don't find that bleak or scary - I think it's kind of beautiful, that individually and collectively we're all the product of tens of thousands of years of genetic chance and yet here we are.

And we have the choice to decide what our shot at it means to us - to me it's just to live a happy life, to some it might be to raise happy children or have a fulfilling career or to climb every mountain or to leave the world better than you found it.,

BurntBroccoli · 18/12/2024 18:52

Thinkingthesethoughts · 18/12/2024 16:11

@biscuitsandbooks But we are so different to other species

Not really. We can over know what an ant is thinking or even your cat.

BurntBroccoli · 18/12/2024 18:58

Howmanymoredays · 18/12/2024 16:22

There is no point at all. And for the most part, nothing that you do is of any consequence. In a hundred years, you and (almost) everyone else currently on the planet will be dead, regardless. Once you realise this, it is much easier not to care about anything at all.

Yes I often visit graveyards and notice the gravestones in various stages of decay with illegible inscriptions.

No one will remember you in a 100 years time.

But new life goes on. It's just the way it is.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 18/12/2024 18:59

RobertaFirmino · 18/12/2024 18:42

If we are here to reproduce them why are some people gay or lesbian? Sexually attracted to people they cannot reproduce with?

Because not every human needs to reproduce in order for the species to carry on. And as we're a social species, people who don't reproduce still contribute to the continuation of the society, and the raising of the next generation.

AppleBlossomMay · 18/12/2024 19:03

Lovely reply @SparklyTurtle , very meaningful

summershere99 · 18/12/2024 19:07

I believe that we are created in the image of God. So that, for me, is where I have found meaning and purpose throughout my life. We're created for community and for love.

PerditaLaChien · 18/12/2024 19:07

I don't need there to be a "bigger" meaning for me to be here

I exist. I'm a living organism so I seek to reproduce and have a strong, pleasant bond with my offspring. I work to earn the money to ensure access to the things i need to stay alive (food, shelter) and beyond that to have a more comfortable and pleasurable existence

BurntBroccoli · 18/12/2024 19:12

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.
Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.
It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
— Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot, 1994

So what exactly is the point of it all then?
arcticpandas · 18/12/2024 19:13

Thinkingthesethoughts · 18/12/2024 15:48

I find it hard to believe/understand that we’d just be here by chance and for no real reason

I find this to be very reassuring. Nothing is expected of me (from a higher level I mean, my children do have expectations obviously) and I can go on living my life as I see fit.

TheOliveFinch · 18/12/2024 19:14

I’ve always liked the perspective that we are all connected as part of the universe explained much more coherently here

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DarkAether · 18/12/2024 19:15

Thinkingthesethoughts · 18/12/2024 15:48

I find it hard to believe/understand that we’d just be here by chance and for no real reason

in the show stargate humans were used as a labour force to build things or mine etc

there could be beings out there that have machines that auto seed planets with different lifeforms etc

and before anyone says my comments are rubbish, then why do humans believe in books that are ment to be the words of god but all written by humans

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