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Family wedding drama

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SWM13 · 15/12/2024 13:54

I'm writing this because I really can't deal with this going around in my head anymore. Family involved don't want to listen. I feel very hurt at how they have treated myself and my daughter and the daily flashbacks and ptsd I am having are seriously affecting my health.

Last summer younger sisters wedding abroad. I'm a single parent. D8 and I stayed in a house with mother and 3 sisters and one of their one year olds. Each morning D8 and I would wake up, have a light breakfast, clear up after ourselves and then get out of the others way. Sometimes made and left breakfast for my mum if we had time and space in the kitchen. Sat in living room when we were ready and waited till others were ready if we were going out. There was no time set any day, everyone just got ready and came down.

One day someone from outside the house was meeting us, so it was arranged everyone would be ready for 11am, which we were.

The day after that, we got up, had breakfast, cleared up, went and showered and got ready and came down as usual. Sat on the sofa and saw mum and other sisters still pottering around and eating in the kitchen. It was around 11.30-11.45am. No one spoke to us so I asked if everyone was ready. Then sister with a one year old started by asking in a very angry and sarcastic voice why it had taken us so long to get ready when we were only 2 people sharing a bathroom, so why had it taken so long for us to get ready? My daughter must have come down stairs for a glass of water while I was in the shower and sister also said she'd asked my daughter what she was doing upstairs and she said my daughter said she was "relaxing" (again all said to me very angrily and sarcastically).

I was really surprised and taken aback, I wasn't expecting this. I told her all I'd done was go to the loo then shower and wash my hair, and then dry my hair. I hadn't been relaxing. But I told her obviously my daughter was sitting and reading in bed while I was in the bathroom and then drying my hair. I was really surprised at her anger, so I also said if you wanted to leave earlier and us to hurry up you could have knocked on our door to let us know (in my head I was thinking that then I could have either hurried up or told them to leave ahead of us and we'd catch them up later if they didn't want to wait for us). But then she says - no, we were all ready at 11am yesterday so I OBVIOUSLY thought we'd all be ready at 11am today. But I told her no one said to me that we needed to be ready for 11am today and that it was unreasonable for me to be ready for a time I didn’t know about. She was so angry, and screamed back at me that obviously we were ready yesterday at this time so she’d waited for everyone to be ready at this time again. I said I didn’t think that was fair, I hadn’t done anything extra but get ready and I didn’t know there was a time to be ready for. My mum and other sisters had been listening and said nothing till now. Then my mum came in from the kitchen area and started to support my sister and shout at me - telling me my sister is busy with the baby, and that my other sister had been busy cooking her own breakfast in the kitchen and how I should have been helping clean the kitchen up after the other sister had cooked.

As I realised how everyone was behaving I was very sad. In that moment I thought to myself, these are the people that back home I go out of my way to visit regularly so that my daughter gets to see her grandmother, even though we are short on time at weekends I still prioritise them. These are the people I drive an hour out of my way for to drive them to or from mums house so they don’t have to take a bus or taxi. These are the people I spend free weekends taking to visit relatives when asked, putting mine and my daughters needs secondary as that then eats into our only weekly free time for cooking cleaning laundry homework etc. These are the people who I go out of my way to help whenever there is a problem or whenever they need me to do something, because I want to help them. And I am the only family member who drives so I do what I can to help whenever needed. I was thinking of all the times I’ve spent hours on them, helping them with things, waiting for them to do something, waiting to take them somewhere, or the thought I’ve put into the things I do for them. And they were creating an argument between them and myself and my daughter, ruining the holiday that we were all so excited to come on and had spent so much money on. I felt very sad. All 4 of them (mum and 3 sisters) didn’t speak to me again. I repeated that we hadn’t done anything wrong, we’d just got ready and we didn’t know everyone was expecting to leave at 11 just because yesterday we’d left at 11. The day before that it had been a different time. And the day before that it had been a different time. How could we have known they wanted to leave at a certain time today? It felt so unfair. It felt like they’d shared information between themselves but purposely not told me so they’d have an excuse to be angry at me later, unreasonably. They didn’t speak to me or my daughter and left the house. I couldn’t understand, even as they left I said I don’t understand why you’re all angry, all we did was get ready and come down, we didn’t know we were late for anything. None of them looked back or acknowledged me talking, they just went out the door. There was only one key.

I was really sad at this. It had come out of nowhere. Daughter and I couldn’t leave the house so we had to stay in all day. When they came home later that day they all still ignored us. No one spoke to us. They made dinner for themselves and happily chatted over dinner as my daughter and I were upstairs. No one asked us to join for dinner.

The next day they continued ignoring us. No one spoke a word to me or daughter. They went out again all day so daughter and I again had to stay at home. We also had no way of getting to a shop to buy food for an upcoming train journey to the villa part of the wedding.

Two days of living with 4 other adults who pretend you dont exist and don’t talk to you. It felt like my daughter and I were being bullied. Unfortunately this is very normal behaviour for my mum and sisters and it happened a lot growing up. But on a family holiday at a wedding, didn’t they know they were ruining the WHOLE experience for myself and my daughter? I messaged my sister who was getting married and told her that there had been a silly argument and they all gone out. I think I needed someone to help stick up for me and my daughter. The youngest sister did come around that night to the house, and she did very briefly and nicely tell everyone not to argue because it was obviously creating a problem that wasn’t needed. She specifically told my mum not argue with people after she left so that it wouldn’t ruin the experience for everyone. The youngest sister left and my mum turned around to everyone in the room with the angriest look in her face. Who told her?? she shouted. She went up to each sister one by one. Did you tell her? No. Did you tell her? No. Then it was my turn and I was very scared, I held my daughters hand. Did you tell her? Yes I answered. I was terrified. She then started shouting at me at why I had created problems and told the youngest sister. I said we hadn’t done anything wrong and you all have been treating us like this. She went on shouting at me, honestly I don’t know anymore what she was saying. Probably that we had ruined things for everyone. Instead I just remember looking down at my daughter who was crying and screaming for it to stop. I just hugged her and didn’t bother replying anything more to my mum. The sister with the baby stepped in and told my mum to stop, saying that it was going to ruin the wedding experience for us. My mum was still furious but she stopped and went to the bathroom around the corner. I was alone with my crying 8 year old hyperventilating daughter, trying to comfort her. I told her not to worry, ‘we haven’t done anything wrong, they’re just being mean and grandma’s just being mean’. That was the truth for me, I don’t think we had done anything wrong, and I think my mum and sisters had been cruel. After a minute or so my mum appeared from behind the wall. She pointed at me and said ‘Oh my God! I have been listening behind the wall and do you know what she’s been saying! Do you know what she’s been saying!’. She carried on walking around the room pointing at me. ‘She’s been turning granddaughter against me!! She’s there saying things to turn granddaughter against me!!’. I was completely confused. I had no idea what she was talking about, I had no idea what this made my sisters think I’d been saying too, but it was not true. I was calming my daughter and letting her know that the way we’d been treated was not okay. I was mentally exhausted by this point. I couldn’t defend myself anymore against unreasonableness and meanness. I took my daughter up to our room and was really traumatised myself so she must have felt worse.

An hour later I came down with my daughter to get a glass of water for her. As we walked past, my mum grabbed my daughters hand and pulled her towards her. I took my daughters hand and very calmly said to my mum, if you can’t treat us decently then don’t speak to us. She was shocked. My mum then ignored my daughter and me COMPLETELY for the rest of the 2 week holiday. She pretended we didn’t exist. Throughout the family dinners, wedding, everything. At one point I just wanted the ignoring to end and I put my arms out and said let’s make up, and she shooed me away with her hands and shouted ‘get away from me’. My sisters also followed the same example, no one willingly spoke to me or my daughter for the 2 weeks. Because we hadn’t been able to shop for food the 2 days we were in the house, I had no child friendly food for my daughter throughout the wedding. I asked each sister if there was anything they thought I could give my daughter, and always got told I don’t know. I looked in a fridge and saw expensive food that I thought was for family dinners (expensive meats and fish and cheese etc) so didn’t help myself to anything. I only found out 2 days before we left that there was a shelf in a separate pantry room that had found for all the kids to eat. Since 2 of the sisters were staying in the villa at that point, im guessing they knew and could have told me. I felt like I went around asking people constantly if there was any simple food I could give to my daughter and everyone either got really exasperated and told me to look myself (I had and the fridge was stocked with adult food for dinners, and I also didn’t know what food belonged to which people as there were also their other friends staying in the villa) or just said I don’t know. I wasn’t living in the villa but had been put in a apt nearby with my daughter, mum and another sister at this point, and we got taxis to/from the main villa everyday so I was also in a kitchen in a house I wasn’t living in and already felt weird going through cupboards and fridge with people who were actually staying there watching me look through their food. My daughter was cold tired and hungry every day as adult meals were quite posh and also it was very long for a child to wait between meals. She spent a lot of time in the pool at the villa, but when she got out almost no one interacted with us. The other guests greeted my mum and sisters as a group, as that’s how they presented themselves, and it was evident to other guests that we were outcasts for some reason. That made it very hard to meet other guests, along with feeling so completely alone and rejected in the inside. At one point I broke down to my sister who was getting married, I burst into tears and told her that I felt bad because my daughter was cold and hungry and tired and I couldn’t do anything about it, we didn’t have our things in the villa. She helped by getting us a hair dryer so that I could dry my daughters wet hair after the pool. Obviously I had broken down due to more than that.

I know this post is long. I had saved hard for this wedding/holiday and I wanted it to be a great experience for my daughter. I felt that my family were unreasonable in making the original argument, then cruel in ignoring us over the whole rest of the holiday, knowing that would make us feel isolated and alone and ruin the whole experience for us. None of them were helpful when I was looking for simpler food like pasta for my daughter. In the end pasta was sat on a cupboard in a room I didn’t know about, but no one wanted to tell me that.

It’s been over 6 months. I think about what happened daily. Mentally I can’t process that we could be treated like that and 5 people thought it was okay. Daughter and I were hoping for a lovely holiday and wedding, I don’t think we caused any of this. I truely think sister with baby was angry at something else and took it out on us. Family got behind her, regardless. My sisters are like sheep, they follow who they like most, being reasonable rarely come into things. It’s not the first time that things like this have happened, but this time I can’t get over the cruelty and how sustained this behaviour was, from grown adults. It’s causing me daily mental and physical symptoms, and I’ve had to go to hospital a few times it’s been that bad. I just needed to get this out.

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ForTicklishSquid · 15/12/2024 15:52

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CasuirDubh · 15/12/2024 15:52

GranPepper · 15/12/2024 15:49

I'm not sure people are minimising what happened. They're expressing their opinion. Which is what this forum is for, is it not? Personally I have also suggested OP seek counselling. Ptsd over a family disagreement on a holiday is quite an extreme reaction so I think there's possibly some sort of backstory that would benefit from talking therapy

I think they're dismissing what happened as a silly row when clearly there is a very toxic family dynamic here which led 4 grown women to ignore their own sister/daughter and niece/granddaughter for 6 months over literally nothing. Not to mention the shouting and drama.

That's not a row. That's really disturbing.

olympicsrock · 15/12/2024 15:52

They are truly horrible OP. You need to go No contact and block them all. You would be better off with no family than these people.

Is there a cultural dynamic OP?

arcticpandas · 15/12/2024 15:53

@SWM13 I would not have any contact at all with these family members. Think about your mental health and protect your daughter from your toxic mother and sisters. If they call for help you tell them the family's doormat no longer exist and hang up.

SWM13 · 15/12/2024 15:56

I think something had been misunderstood. On weekends where I have a million things to do and then I’m made to feel extremely guilting for not taking family to relative x’s house for a few hours, when I really need that time to do things at home - but I say yes because otherwise there’s an argument or I’m made to feel very guilty - that’s what I mean by putting our needs secondary to theirs on those occasions. And I stopped doing that after the first time. I do not put my child’s needs secondary, please do not jump on one sentence described for one occasion and apply it to everything.

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ChristmasinBrighton · 15/12/2024 15:57

The best thing you can do for yourself and DD is stay completely NC with them. Do not get sucked in at Christmas, you will regret it hugely.

KillerTomato7 · 15/12/2024 15:58

JingleB · 15/12/2024 15:41

It sounds like you behaved like a martyr, staying home in the villa all day while they went out. You and your daughter could have gone out each day and left the key under a planter or something.

Instead you have gone into Victim Mode, claim PTSD over an argument on holiday and dwell on it.

There was no need for any of this.

Oh thank God, the gaslighter in chief has arrived. I too hate when obvious victims of abuse go into “victim mode” over little arguments. And by little argument, I mean deranged bullying by everyone else in the family against the weakest member.

There is no need for you in this discussion. None whatsoever.

ForTicklishSquid · 15/12/2024 15:59

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laurwalsh · 15/12/2024 15:59

OP I'm just replying quickly to give you the biggest virtual hug. I'm so sad reading your post and feel so sad to think you had to go t through that.

GranPepper · 15/12/2024 16:00

CasuirDubh · 15/12/2024 15:52

I think they're dismissing what happened as a silly row when clearly there is a very toxic family dynamic here which led 4 grown women to ignore their own sister/daughter and niece/granddaughter for 6 months over literally nothing. Not to mention the shouting and drama.

That's not a row. That's really disturbing.

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Right. I am not totally in agreement with your view. I did say there appears to be a backstory and suggested OP seeks counselling. I still think she would benefit from counselling. It's up to her if she wants to access help. The alternative is to not get help.

KillerTomato7 · 15/12/2024 16:01

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Shoo. Go make yourself useful somewhere.

SWM13 · 15/12/2024 16:03

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I’m sorry you think this but there is nothing sketchy here. I’ve given the facts but to give you location names and everything is not necessary. Maybe you’re confused but the air bnb family home we stayed in was on the outskirts of a town, it was a 45 min walk to shops in the centre going up and down hills. We did not rent cars, did we have to? I would have been the only driver and I’ve never driven in Europe. The villa was a separate location later on the coast.

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GranPepper · 15/12/2024 16:03

KillerTomato7 · 15/12/2024 16:01

Shoo. Go make yourself useful somewhere.

That's not very nice. Are people to shoo if they express an opinion you don't agree with?

Kosenrufugirl · 15/12/2024 16:04

JustTalkToThem · 15/12/2024 14:06

I’m sorry you’re having a hard time with this but two initial thoughts

  • it seems unlikely you have a full diagnosis of PTSD for this in less than 6 months and shouldnt be using that term so casually
  • I’d be really interested to hear the other side of this story.

Are you a mental health professional? I hope not. You seem to be minimising human misery so casually

CasuirDubh · 15/12/2024 16:05

GranPepper · 15/12/2024 16:00

Right. I am not totally in agreement with your view. I did say there appears to be a backstory and suggested OP seeks counselling. I still think she would benefit from counselling. It's up to her if she wants to access help. The alternative is to not get help.

That's fine? You questioned my comment about other posters being dismissive so I'm just explaining what I mean.

KillerTomato7 · 15/12/2024 16:07

GranPepper · 15/12/2024 16:03

That's not very nice. Are people to shoo if they express an opinion you don't agree with?

No. They are to shoo if they are vile bullies who get a charge out of targeting vulnerable people on Mumsnet by endless needling, nitpicking every detail, and minimizing abuse.

And lest you feel left out, I am including you in this.

Dotto · 15/12/2024 16:08

They're horrid and toxic. Ignore them from now on. You are not obligated towards people who clearly hate you.

However, I would not have put up with my daughter being treated like that for two weeks. Cold and hungry you say..

JingleB · 15/12/2024 16:11

KillerTomato7 · 15/12/2024 15:58

Oh thank God, the gaslighter in chief has arrived. I too hate when obvious victims of abuse go into “victim mode” over little arguments. And by little argument, I mean deranged bullying by everyone else in the family against the weakest member.

There is no need for you in this discussion. None whatsoever.

Do we know each other? Gaslighter in chief, my arse.

The OP was there with her daughter. The others seemed to have picked a fight and flounced out.

Instead of ignoring that nonsense, leaving the key and taking her daughter out for the day by taxi, she spent two full days of their holiday “trapped” in the air BnB. Which was entirely unnecessary.

Then she decided she couldn’t feed her daughter with any of the food in a villa instead of stepping up and preparing a meal or taking her DD out to a cafe.

It’s melodramatic.

The OP’s mum can pitch hissy fits, which OP can do nothing about. She can, however, choose to ignore them and focus on the holiday for her DD.

SWM13 · 15/12/2024 16:12

Dotto · 15/12/2024 16:08

They're horrid and toxic. Ignore them from now on. You are not obligated towards people who clearly hate you.

However, I would not have put up with my daughter being treated like that for two weeks. Cold and hungry you say..

Yes I truly wished we’d left. That would have created more problems but worth it.

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Schoolchoicesucks · 15/12/2024 16:13

Your family sound awful.

Please stay NC with them.

You seem to have been conditioned to expect them to treat you poorly and also to not have agency over yourself. You have an 8 year old daughter and you stayed somewhere where other adults shouted at you in front of her and you knew she was cold, tired and hungry yet you didn't take control of the situation.

I think you know that you want to be a better parent to your daughter than your mother has been to you. So you need to step up here. You need to look after her basic needs. If there is no food for her, you find some. If she is cold, you clothe/dry her appropriately.

If you couldn't change your flights, find alternative accommodation then you should have just done your own thing. If they had locked you in the villa then you should have called the owner, the police, climbed out of a window.

I think you would benefit from some therapy to understand why you were accepting of this and the rummaging through cupboards for food for your daughter and not asking other people overtly for help.

Do this for your daughter.

GranPepper · 15/12/2024 16:14

KillerTomato7 · 15/12/2024 16:07

No. They are to shoo if they are vile bullies who get a charge out of targeting vulnerable people on Mumsnet by endless needling, nitpicking every detail, and minimizing abuse.

And lest you feel left out, I am including you in this.

Oh dear. You are the bully in this scenario. I bet you bully people in real life too. If you read my previous posts, none are of a bullying nature because I am not and have never been a bully. In my life, I've protected people from bullies as a senior union rep. I've tried to help bullies understand their behaviour. Some have reflected and changed. It's up to you to reflect and decide.

KillerTomato7 · 15/12/2024 16:14

JingleB · 15/12/2024 16:11

Do we know each other? Gaslighter in chief, my arse.

The OP was there with her daughter. The others seemed to have picked a fight and flounced out.

Instead of ignoring that nonsense, leaving the key and taking her daughter out for the day by taxi, she spent two full days of their holiday “trapped” in the air BnB. Which was entirely unnecessary.

Then she decided she couldn’t feed her daughter with any of the food in a villa instead of stepping up and preparing a meal or taking her DD out to a cafe.

It’s melodramatic.

The OP’s mum can pitch hissy fits, which OP can do nothing about. She can, however, choose to ignore them and focus on the holiday for her DD.

Oh good heavens, my apologies! Are you still here?

You may go now.

CasuirDubh · 15/12/2024 16:16

GranPepper · 15/12/2024 16:14

Oh dear. You are the bully in this scenario. I bet you bully people in real life too. If you read my previous posts, none are of a bullying nature because I am not and have never been a bully. In my life, I've protected people from bullies as a senior union rep. I've tried to help bullies understand their behaviour. Some have reflected and changed. It's up to you to reflect and decide.

You are questioning people who query some of the more minimising messages here though.

JingleB · 15/12/2024 16:20

KillerTomato7 · 15/12/2024 16:14

Oh good heavens, my apologies! Are you still here?

You may go now.

Fan of Tombstone? Cracking film. Kilmer’s performance as Doc is magnificent.

ThinWomansBrain · 15/12/2024 16:21

It's a drama because that is how you choose to frame it.
When it wasn't working out, you could have given up on the sitting around waiting one everyone else and done your own thing. You chose not to.

Presumably you are already getting help with your issues as you have been diagnosed as suffering from PTSD ar a result of this incident.
Some suffering PTSD as a result of abuse, trauma etc might find that offensive, but I presume your psychologist knows what they are doing.