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Improvements to homes has left Britain a jumbled mess

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Christmasclemetines · 15/12/2024 11:55

All over the UK. From council estates to private, high streets and main streets, ‘improvements’ over the years has left the UK looking unkempt and ugly.

Im from a working class Scottish town, that has a large number of social housing. Most of it built in the 50s. I lived in one such home from the 80s to the early 2000s.

  • Most of the houses were uniform (windows, doors etc)
  • all had front gardens - grass, hedges, plants
  • hedges were used for boundaries

However, things started to change and it affected how the town looks. Right-to-buy, which my own family took advantage of, meant that homeowners made changes.

It may seem odd to some MNers but it was actually a sign that you had ‘money’ and it wasn’t a ‘council’ house if you changed the windows and doors, had it pebble dashed in a different stone. But even then, people who bought the homes lived in them and looked after them. Now many of these homes are privately rented. In addition the local council have also made ‘improvements’ to the remaining social homes

  • removing all the hedges to install walls
  • removing grass to put down stones
  • new pebble dashing

So now the whole town is a patchwork of really ugly housing. These homes were lovely. They were so well designed, lots of space, nice wide roads. Now

  • gardens have been paved over into driveways
  • extensions in many of the roofs. All different styles
  • each house has a different boundary- wall, fence etc. All in different states of maintenance
  • wheelie bins everywhere
  • many renter properties where the tentants dont care and the private landlord does nothing to keep the outside attractive
  • Doors and windows all different along the street.
  • houses are all pebble dashed in different colours.

But this isn’t unique. Private estates built here in the 70/80s are now changing hands from older homeowners who probably bought when new to young families and the same is happening . A certain uniform look is gone

  • They tear out the shrubs and garden at the front and usually extend the driveway
  • paint or put in ugly dark grey windows and doors
  • remove hedges and put up grey fencing

They stand out like a sore thumb but others also come in and try their own ‘new looks’ and the hotchpotch look starts here too.

Even the ‘posh’ homes in our area. Huge 1930s detached homes. All that lovely paint work and the doors gone. Mature planting ripped out and more driveway.

Currently only listed buildings of a certain category need council approval to change the exterior. But AIBU that councils should do more for all areas, to ensure we all have a nice environment to live in? And stricter rules about the exterior of the property to maintain community harmony should be introduced?

The nice areas across the country, are so because they maintain a certain aesthetic. In nice areas of Bath , Cotswolds, Edinburgh etc. In Edinburgh there were burdens on properties that meant homes built 100s of years ago maintained their uniformity.

We need the councils to do more! For a start, charge those that pave over their gardens higher council tax rates, to account for them putting further pressure on drains when it rains. Fines for private landlords who don’t maintain the outside gardens/outside areas.

The councils should

  • encourage people to plant hedges and trees. Make grants available
  • buying properties to convert to resident car parks for residents in busy areas
  • restricting all homes to exterior work that fits in with the homes surrounding it
  • recognising that social housing must look aesthetically pleasing too and they should be leading the way in conserving the looks and designs.
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PurpleChrayn · 15/12/2024 11:58

I'm not sure it ought to be a priority when there's so much poverty and homelessness. Cosmetic improvements should come after those things are solved.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 15/12/2024 12:00

I mean... sort of. The environment would likely look more appealing if some of the things you mention were implemented. But:

  • others speak to the broader issues around housing/home ownership/parking/tenants' rights, and are sadly a consequence
  • as someone who lives in a conservation area where there is a code for how one can change/replace doors, windows, hedges, street furniture etc - it is an absolute ballache and prohibitively expensive.
mossylog · 15/12/2024 12:01

I think encouraging more plants is a good thing, and I agree that it's sad when people pave over gardens to put more cars in. But I think you go too far— houses don't all have to be uniformly the same, people should be able to add personal touches to the places they live, paint their house how they like, put in whatever windows etc. We shouldn't end up like the US with HOA busybodies ensuring everyone puts in a perfect lawn etc.

Christmasgiraffe · 15/12/2024 12:02

I think people should be able to do what they like with their own property 🤷‍♀️

Christmasclemetines · 15/12/2024 12:06

PurpleChrayn · 15/12/2024 11:58

I'm not sure it ought to be a priority when there's so much poverty and homelessness. Cosmetic improvements should come after those things are solved.

I understand theres no money to make improvements but putting burdens on properties would restrict homeowners from making the area look rundown and ugly.

Where I live, the council are spending huge sums to put in new windows and to pebbledash. That’s great, but the choices that they have made clashes with the private homes literally next door to it. So it’s an ugly patchwork.

Plus, I don’t believe only those who are economically well off should be able to reside in a pleasing environment.

Strangely, in my town, it’s the flats that remain uniform and the grounds well maintained by the council. Growing up, the flats around here were the last option you’d take!!! Now they’re the only decent looking properties left.

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Christmasclemetines · 15/12/2024 12:06

Christmasgiraffe · 15/12/2024 12:02

I think people should be able to do what they like with their own property 🤷‍♀️

You can’t if you own a listed building

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SunshineAfterTheRainR · 15/12/2024 12:06

One of the issues with restricting driveways and enforcing front garden though would be the increase in parking on the roads. What would you do about that?! How could we charge electric vehicles on the street?

Christmasclemetines · 15/12/2024 12:09

mossylog · 15/12/2024 12:01

I think encouraging more plants is a good thing, and I agree that it's sad when people pave over gardens to put more cars in. But I think you go too far— houses don't all have to be uniformly the same, people should be able to add personal touches to the places they live, paint their house how they like, put in whatever windows etc. We shouldn't end up like the US with HOA busybodies ensuring everyone puts in a perfect lawn etc.

No it doesn’t have to be a Tim Burton suburban nightmare, where its all exactly the same

But the nice areas that we all like to visit on holiday in the UK, the housing compliments each other and there is a thread that ties them together. For example, the same stone used or same era of design.

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Christmasclemetines · 15/12/2024 12:09

SunshineAfterTheRainR · 15/12/2024 12:06

One of the issues with restricting driveways and enforcing front garden though would be the increase in parking on the roads. What would you do about that?! How could we charge electric vehicles on the street?

I literally said that in my first post. Go read

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Christmasclemetines · 15/12/2024 12:12

TheWayTheLightFalls · 15/12/2024 12:00

I mean... sort of. The environment would likely look more appealing if some of the things you mention were implemented. But:

  • others speak to the broader issues around housing/home ownership/parking/tenants' rights, and are sadly a consequence
  • as someone who lives in a conservation area where there is a code for how one can change/replace doors, windows, hedges, street furniture etc - it is an absolute ballache and prohibitively expensive.

I agree, that it’s annoying and actually some tradesmen take advantage of conservation areas/listed buildings and charge insane amounts. But I’m sure you recognise living in such an area and having these rules, means you probably live somewhere rather beautiful and will stay that way

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SunshineAfterTheRainR · 15/12/2024 12:13

Christmasclemetines · 15/12/2024 12:09

I literally said that in my first post. Go read

A rude response - I did read it and bothered to reply too. You only mentioned car parks in urban areas but that doesn’t answer my point. I won’t bother engaging further though since you’re rude.

Christmasclemetines · 15/12/2024 12:15

SunshineAfterTheRainR · 15/12/2024 12:13

A rude response - I did read it and bothered to reply too. You only mentioned car parks in urban areas but that doesn’t answer my point. I won’t bother engaging further though since you’re rude.

Didn’t mention car parks in urban areas. I said residential

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MemorableTrenchcoat · 15/12/2024 12:15

Christmasgiraffe · 15/12/2024 12:02

I think people should be able to do what they like with their own property 🤷‍♀️

No one is suggesting otherwise, within reason. However, it’s true that well-planned and designed schemes are often now dischordant eyesores.

Spaceid · 15/12/2024 12:16

Everyone has different tastes, what you think is beautiful won’t be the same for others. If you want to live in certain style of house, then move somewhere that has that aesthetic as a conservation area. There is one near where I live and I don’t particularly like it. Those who want to express their own creativity can move to an area with no restrictions.

peoplearepeople · 15/12/2024 12:16

I both agree and disagree. I've been saying something like this to my dh for a while now.
We are currently trying to sell my late father in laws house. Scottish town and ex council like you speak of. When I met my dh the street was lovely. Everyone tended to their gardens and it was clean and looked after. The street is now an utter tip. My Father in laws house is the only one that still has a front garden, hanging baskets and pots etc.
Most others have either concreted and put in a driveway or worse haven't applied for a dropped kerb etc and just leave ramps up the kerbs to put the car in the wrecked and muddy gardens.
His direct neighours have added extensions and porches that don't fit in with the street at all and everything has been left looking half finished for several years now. Most of the houses were pebble dashed an orange kind of colour. Now some have tried cladding them in grey slate and honeslty it just looks shit as it's never done well and the jobs are never finished as they run out of money. It's really sad.
The never ending digging up of pavements and roads by utilities and councils hasn't helped either. I've been looking od streetview recently when looking at houses and without exception as I flip back though the timeline places look nicer.
On my own street we seem to be one of the few that has actually kept a nice big green garden that is a haven for wildlife.I have to put a lot of work into it. It brings so much joy to us. Most of our neighbours have concreted everything or put down astroturf. Then wonder why their garden floods all the time.
However, on the flip side we have a lot of new build estates around here. We are currently looking to move and we have have completely ruled these out. My heart sinks when I see them. Line upon line of identical houses with no standout features. My son even said that he was worried if we moved to one how we he know which house was ours!

DoAWheelie · 15/12/2024 12:17

I find rows and rows of uniform houses and gardens unbelievingly depressing. I love how we express ourselves through our homes and gardens.

Also uniformity is often used to suppress accessibility and makes the world more hostile to disabled people. E.g "But a ramp would ruin such a lovely building".

Cnidarian · 15/12/2024 12:19

I mean, I do completely agree with you, especially about the 1930s houses but also recognise it is a bit unreasonable and people should be able to do what they want to their house. I shall keep all the features in mine though. No one understands the vista of a street anymore!!.....clutches pearls in silent agony.....

CalicoQuince · 15/12/2024 12:21

I completely agree with you! But when I mention it to people most say we (people/ country) can’t afford it and we should tackle important issues first. I feel like we could of course get rid of loads of things that make life nicer and add a bit of joy and beauty for everyone but where does that end, and yes why should only a wealthy few enjoy a beautiful environment?
The fact is that neither thing is happening, people aren’t being looked after, and things like art/beauty aren’t considered important either. (By governments…)

WilmerFlintstone · 15/12/2024 12:23

I agree with you but local authorities are bankrupt, not just financially but in management initiative other then to thrust a begging bowl into the faces of government and council tax payers. And the unplanned, massed sprawl will only get worse under this truly appalling government. It's utterly depressing.

LovelessRutting · 15/12/2024 12:25

I disagree as I the UK has a good balance. Planning permission stops anything too awful/out-of-keeping but we’re allowed to have some individuality.

DyddEira · 15/12/2024 12:25

Since buying our house the area has become a UNESCO work heritage site. We have lost many of our permitted development rights and therefore have to apply (and pay for) planning permission to do simple things we had long been planned for the property. We also have to pay an extra premium for the heritage specialist to dictate some bullsh*t aesthetic requirement when the area we live is pretty impoverished and that ships long since sailed anyway.

OP what you are wishing on people is an added layer of bureaucracy and cost that most people do not want and can not afford. You do your home in whatever style you deem tasteful and "of the time' and leave everyone else to live as they wish in their own properties.

Sncl · 15/12/2024 12:28

I don’t think they should have stricter restrictions, we don’t need to legislate every inch of life in the uk. Mismatch of houses looks fine

abracadabra1980 · 15/12/2024 12:30

I totally agree with you. A uniformed look is just so much more aesthetically pleasing and I believe helps a property retain its value. I would not buy a house where the street has a whole hotch potch of mix and match designs.
The same has happened in the street where I grew up - all lovely thoughtfully designed semis with each front garden having a heavy black chain at the front boundary. Now most of the garages have been built over for a 4th bedroom and the street is almost terraced now. This was before the trend to built up into the loft. And there are about 3/4 chains out of approx 60 houses. It's a shame.

Meadowfinch · 15/12/2024 12:31

I've just walked around our quite pretty village and we do not have uniformity.
We have red brick and slate terraces from the early 1800s. Whitewashed and thatched cottages. Victorian semis. A few individual houses from the 1950s. A small estate of 1990s houses and two small blocks of low rise flats. The link is the vegetation- ash trees, sloe, hawthorne and oaks. All the houses have weathered into their environment.

I'd hate it to be uniform. Households are not all the same. We need variety.

CandyStripedCottonBedsheet · 15/12/2024 12:37

The new "sustainable" timber framed social housing being chucked up around here is an absolute travesty. Someone somewhere is profiting hugely from their business building all this, and it is not fit for purpose whatsoever.

An estate of this timber frame housing was built near me less than two years ago. A delivery driver accidentally caught his van on the corner of one of the properties, and ripped a panel of the house off the frame, and underneath it was stuffed with absolutely wet through "insulation". Quite literally wet through, running with water inside the walls. I doubt the houses will last ten years, all that money utterly wasted, and it is almost certainly for someone's blatant profiteering. It is criminal.

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